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Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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LeBron James is arguably the greatest player of his modern era (Wilt Chamberlain did not have as much competition), if not all time. Yes, he has tremendous physical gifts and dexterity. What most people don't know is he has an almost uncanny eidetic memory that allows him to truly know how the other players on a team have played against him or his team in the past without studying game video ipso facto... and also wh…

Besides his physical and mental talents, he's also an incredibly dedicated worker and has also embraced a lot of innovative playing, training and recovery ideas that has helped him extend his peak physical years beyond where they normally are. One of the surprising things I heard about last year was that the newer basketball cameras that record all aspects of play rated him as one of (maybe even the) slowest players…

Yep, this right here. You can tell he is a step slower than his prime. But it doesn't matter because he is so much more efficient that he plays almost better than he did in his prime. I've been watching basketball a long time and I have only seen very few B level and big men do this change. But most of the time it is out of necessity from some previous injury.

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I have heard the same about the top Formula One Drivers. After the race they can recall almost every turn of the race in detail with their engineers. It takes hours to get all the information across. It makes sense that a good memory is big asset for an athlete. It allows them to replay a situation and learn from it. When I did martial arts my memory of a fight was pretty vague so I couldn't analyze and learn much.

I've noticed this ability as well in other fields: it seems those at the very top (chess grandmasters, piano virtuosos, etc) have an incredible ability to remember the details of performances in their field. The question is: is it their existing recall abilities that (in part) helps them to get to the top, or is it the process of becoming that good that greatly enhances their memory?

I have a feeling it's more adaptive than not.

https://www.wired.com/2011/12/london-taxi-driver-memory/

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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I have heard the same about the top Formula One Drivers. After the race they can recall almost every turn of the race in detail with their engineers. It takes hours to get all the information across. It makes sense that a good memory is big asset for an athlete. It allows them to replay a situation and learn from it. When I did martial arts my memory of a fight was pretty vague so I couldn't analyze and learn much.

I've noticed this ability as well in other fields: it seems those at the very top (chess grandmasters, piano virtuosos, etc) have an incredible ability to remember the details of performances in their field. The question is: is it their existing recall abilities that (in part) helps them to get to the top, or is it the process of becoming that good that greatly enhances their memory?

I think this is less spectacular than people believe. If you are extremely focused in a sport event, as is the case for top players and Formula 1 drivers, it is natural that they can remember details with precision. This would be far more difficult for mundane events.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Impressive, no doubt. This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. Pattern recognition in competitive sports is extremely valuable. Lebron is one of the all time greats because he combines such unique gifts, his memory, his work ethic, his physicality, size and quickness. He is just a freak all the way around. His basketball IQ has some interesting affects on teams he plays thou…

I think your overstating the 'LeBron needs power' narrative. In LA, he will be behind the shadow of Kobe as an example, with little hope to surpass him.

I think it's more legacy definition, he's been talking 'Chasing a Ghost' for a years now and rebuilding LA (after 8 consecutive finals decimating the East, a Ring to Cle) would do that.

Leaving Mia for Cle was due to (Kyrie + 2*(#1 overall)) > (Bosh+(Wade - 1.2 knees)), and the Coming Home narrative.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed this ability as well in other fields: it seems those at the very top (chess grandmasters, piano virtuosos, etc) have an incredible ability to remember the details of performances in their field. The question is: is it their existing recall abilities that (in part) helps them to get to the top, or is it the process of becoming that good that greatly enhances their memory?

I think this is less spectacular than people believe. If you are extremely focused in a sport event, as is the case for top players and Formula 1 drivers, it is natural that they can remember details with precision. This would be far more difficult for mundane events.

I agree. It’s only impressive if their memory in other areas is at least average. If it’s just a matter of using all of your resources in one limited field then it’s far from impressive. Most people have a less singular focus, and it would be more helpful to compare total performance rather than comparing this one area.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard the same about the top Formula One Drivers. After the race they can recall almost every turn of the race in detail with their engineers. It takes hours to get all the information across. It makes sense that a good memory is big asset for an athlete. It allows them to replay a situation and learn from it. When I did martial arts my memory of a fight was pretty vague so I couldn't analyze and learn much.

I've noticed this ability as well in other fields: it seems those at the very top (chess grandmasters, piano virtuosos, etc) have an incredible ability to remember the details of performances in their field. The question is: is it their existing recall abilities that (in part) helps them to get to the top, or is it the process of becoming that good that greatly enhances their memory?

I think it’s a result of intensely experiencing the event as it happens, and recollecting it as vividly as possibly right away. Essentially they’re thinking hard about the process before, while, and after doing it.

I have 20 years experience as a glassblower, and the apparent duration of the most intense parts has mentally expanded for me over time. Guitar playing is similar - my awareness while under pressure for improvisation or a slick solo has slowly changed over the years. The intensity of opening a wine glass foot is about the same as playing a quick improvised jazz solo. If you asked a musician how a performance went, they could probably tell you how it fell playing each line. Same with a glass collaboration – I can usually recall how making a piece went, but in a setting like a collaboration or competition, I would remember every part of making a 2 1/2 minute piece as if it was a 15 minute story.

When you start out making cups, the process can quickly go wrong in a jumble when it is time to open the rim. The next time, you remember to avoid that mistake… but might make a different one. Or maybe make the same one again. Each time it’s 10 or 20 minutes until you can be at that point again... it reminds me of 8 bit games where you have to go through a level repeatedly to get to a difficult jump, and keep trying til you make it. Eventually, you start finishing the process, and after many repetitions can do it without thinking. After even longer you learn every microsecond of the process - with glass, the feel of the hot bubble folding over and turning from a sphere to a flat disc in about 800 milliseconds, as you spin it in the flame. That’s the part that expands mentally for me - the control during that time. One learns to not fail to pay close attention at that time.

While these moments still feel like they are over in an instant, over time, my ability to make good decisions repeatedly while taking it in stride has increased. I’d sum it up as my level of overwhelmedness has gone down.

It’s as if time is expanded, though it all still happens very quickly. Due to all the practice, my awareness stays active instead of being overwhelmed. This phenomenon could also show up in other activities like sports.

Your question comes down to basically nature versus nurture, though. Do some people have innate talent, or does it come from training? It seems like the answer is both, of course. My analysis is that some people are better at releasing their minds to accept learning things. Then, it’s a matter of practice and experience. Anything eventually becomes commonplace.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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This is nonsense. LeBron has greatly improved his 3 point shooting over his career and in Miami he was able to develop a low post game.

>and in Miami he was able to develop a low post game. After he couldn't post up 97 year old Shawn Marion, and 146 year old Jason Kidd.

That was year 1 at Miami..

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Impressive, no doubt. This type of memory happens more often than people realize to athletes and coaches. Pattern recognition in competitive sports is extremely valuable. Lebron is one of the all time greats because he combines such unique gifts, his memory, his work ethic, his physicality, size and quickness. He is just a freak all the way around. His basketball IQ has some interesting affects on teams he plays thou…

I think your overstating the 'LeBron needs power' narrative. In LA, he will be behind the shadow of Kobe as an example, with little hope to surpass him. I think it's more legacy definition, he's been talking 'Chasing a Ghost' for a years now and rebuilding LA (after 8 consecutive finals decimating the East, a Ring to Cle) would do that. Leaving Mia for Cle was due to (Kyrie + 2*(#1 overall)) > (Bosh+(Wade - 1.2 knees…

If you mean shadow as far as likeability for Lakers fans I agree. But nothing as far as talent. Kobe isn't even a top 3 Laker of all-time and LeBron is on another level which is a notch below Jordan.
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