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Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by vezycash » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #30

village-idiot wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's in Telegrams best interest to make a big deal out of this. More positively, not going quietly into the night when faced with state repression is pretty much in line with their ideals. I can totally see why they'd want to fight it out. On the cynical side, grand standing here is great for PR.

> I think it's in Telegrams best interest to make a big deal out of this. > On the cynical side, grand standing here is great for PR. Totally, I get this. Pavel Durov even issued a statement at some point saying that Telegram's will keep defying the Russian authorities having the best interest of their users in mind. A veritable Robin Hood, wouldn't you know. I can't imagine how breaking of half the Internet that ens…

Telegram didn't break the internet. The government did.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by ISL » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

gerhardi wrote: post #15

throwaway99990 wrote: post #12

I emigrated 15 years ago from there to the US. It's been fine, but I just visited Russia recently for a month and very much prefer Russian culture to that of the West. I'm thinking of going back permanently but probably won't. I think blocking various internet sites/services is the only way to preserve the cultural differences and stop the brain drain.

Oh my god.. So you really think that a totalitarian control over what the country's population is allowed to view on the Internet is somehow a good thing and a way to stop brain drain? How come other countries manage to have their cultures flourish on the age of the Internet? I just can't see this kind of blocking bringing anything good for Russia..

There is a reasonable chance that the throwaway poster intended to be divisive, whether as a troll or something more intentional.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by azangru » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

vezycash wrote: post #31

azangru wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's in Telegrams best interest to make a big deal out of this. > On the cynical side, grand standing here is great for PR. Totally, I get this. Pavel Durov even issued a statement at some point saying that Telegram's will keep defying the Russian authorities having the best interest of their users in mind. A veritable Robin Hood, wouldn't you know. I can't imagine how breaking of half the Internet that ens…

Telegram didn't break the internet. The government did.

No argument there. The government did. In response to Telegram's stance.

I mean, we know that the government (the Russian government in particular, or the government in general) is evil. Do we want to unleash their evil upon ourselves, that's what I am asking.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by zzzcpan » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #29

anonymfus wrote: post #26

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That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely.

> That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. Stockholm syndrome is a feeling of affection towards your captor. I do not feel the slightest bit of affection towards our government. I despise them. But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.

Your captor is constantly looking for excuses to escalate things. There is nothing you can do to keep things the way they are.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by mbowcutt » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:19 PM UTC

Might be a stupid question, but why is it always Telegram that gets talked about? Are other secure communications services like Signal, Keybase, etc already blocked?

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by hal9000xp » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:24 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #32

gerhardi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my god.. So you really think that a totalitarian control over what the country's population is allowed to view on the Internet is somehow a good thing and a way to stop brain drain? How come other countries manage to have their cultures flourish on the age of the Internet? I just can't see this kind of blocking bringing anything good for Russia..

There is a reasonable chance that the throwaway poster intended to be divisive, whether as a troll or something more intentional.

The scary thing is that while living in Russia, I've encountered many people with similar views (face to face).

I know it's hard to believe for western people but there are lots of people in Russia who completely obsessed with ideas of "unique Russian identity", "God chosen nation", "Russian world", "saint Russia vs. soulless American imperialism" etc.

Putin understands feelings of this part of society and successfully exploits this in order to push his own agenda. For example:

http://time.com/75484/putin-the-internet-is-a-cia-project/

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by infinity0 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #33

vezycash wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram didn't break the internet. The government did.

No argument there. The government did. In response to Telegram's stance. I mean, we know that the government (the Russian government in particular, or the government in general) is evil. Do we want to unleash their evil upon ourselves, that's what I am asking.

They already "unleashed their evil" and it was shown to be pretty ineffective, lol

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by anonymfus » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #29

anonymfus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. I am Russian and I like this escalation because it makes more people to hate Putin making overthrow of his regime more likely.

> That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. Stockholm syndrome is a feeling of affection towards your captor. I do not feel the slightest bit of affection towards our government. I despise them. But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.

OK my word choice was wrong.

>But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.

Only if there is an expectation that they will be released. If you are in the death camp then rebellion is your only actual chance.

Because we have nuclear weapons no foreign government will interfere just to bring us democracy.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by SEJeff » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #23

I am Russian, and I do not use Telegram, I and do not really know the technology that it relies on, so my opinion is probably worthless, but I can't get rid of the feeling that if Telegram just left the scene quietly and peacefully when the Russian authorities announced the ban, things would have been much simpler and yes, better. The authorities would have pretended that their mission had been accomplished. People w…

So it is Telegram's fault for what your Government did? I'm sorry you have to live under this, but I think it is maybe the Government's fault for doing those things.

Re: Russia tries more precise technology to block Telegram messenger

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Post by azangru » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

zzzcpan wrote: post #34

azangru wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is some Stockholm syndrome thinking. Stockholm syndrome is a feeling of affection towards your captor. I do not feel the slightest bit of affection towards our government. I despise them. But I do feel it may be in the captive's interest not to annoy the captor too much; better yet, not to attract his attention at all.

Your captor is constantly looking for excuses to escalate things. There is nothing you can do to keep things the way they are.

It is a matter of belief, I suppose :-) One can believe in the reality where the captor is constantly thinking of how to provoke the captive and then destroy him, or in the reality where the captor is minding his own business until he is provoked. The Russia of the first decade of the 2000s rather resembled this second reality. Whether the reality has switched to the first one, I am not sure.