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Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by graeme »

thatcat wrote: post #89
graeme wrote: post #79

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What about business. Any business writing is copyright protected too. I've been on business for eight years, and it would be very weird it the stuff I wrote and still use on my site expires in 12 years. It potentially will still be just as valid in that time. I know the tech world changes fast but there are some niches where something written or recorded in 1998 is still valid today.

That's the point of copyright, so that the public eventually benefits from giving you protection for the term of the copyright. It's suppose to still be valid.

It seems a bit short for investment horizons was my point. And also, you’re perhaps thinking of patents, where the public eventually benefits from using an invention - lack of patent would mean more inventions are kept secret.

Copyright is meant to be an incentive for the creation of works that otherwise would not be made. The public benefits by the fact that they’re created. They eventually get to use them too, but it’s less crucial than it is for patents.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by totoglazer »

plopilop wrote: post #53
clon wrote: post #40

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Lazy rich child A's dad built a house, which he and his children can benefit from for marginal costs (maintenance, taxes). Lazy rich child B's dad wrote some music, which he and his children can benefit from for marginal costs (publishing, taxes). I know - in one case it is a physical object, and in the other - immaterial. But both houses and music can offer enjoyment and can be benefited from financially, and thus h…

In my country, inheritance of more than 2 million € is taxed ~50% (20% tax for 500 000 - 1M€). Copyright inheritance is not taxed in any way.

Copyright and all forms of intellectual property absolutely are subject to estate and inheritance tax, in the US. As one random google result says [1].

https://www.weinstocklaw.com/files/newsletters-04.pdf

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by phkahler »

r3bl wrote: post #146
phkahler wrote: post #73

One solution would be to host videos on your own site. It's another argument for decentralization. Of course it's not simple. We need a decentralized platform for this and social media, but the questions on how to achieve that are many.

> We need a decentralized platform for this and social media PeerTube (YouTube lookalike), Mastodon (Twitter lookalike), and PixelFed (Instagram lookalike) are already that[0]. On top of that, they all follow the same federation standard (ActivityPub), meaning that you can follow and comment on a PeerTube channel or a PixelFed feed from within Mastodon. You don't really need three separate accounts, you can just have…

Can you regulate who sees what? For example, I want the FB capability of sharing stuff with friends only in addition to having some public.

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Post by lucb1e »

jacquesm wrote: post #112
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

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> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

A lot of those people laying bricks are still around. Are you going to tell me they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they laid those bricks? After all they are still alive and kicking and people are still walking on those streets many years later. We 'knowledge workers' have it pretty easy compared to the people doing physical work. 30 years should be plenty for all media.

Oh god this just gave me the dystopian vision of companies offering streets as a service, where you pay for every cobblestone as you drive over it.

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Post by monetus »

briandear wrote: post #168
YokoZar wrote: post #19

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> Are you going to tell them they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they had one of their most successful releases? Are you claiming they wouldn't have made the music otherwise? It's hard to imagine such megastars deciding that the marginal effort of another hit album just wasn't worth making unless they could collect hypothetical revenue for more than 2 decades. Copyright law is to incentivize c…

It doesn’t matter if they created the work 20 years ago or not, it’s theirs. Can people go into your house 20 years after you build it and just say it’s their because they like the way it looks? Intellectual property is still property.

Many people would argue that information shouldn't be classified as property. Maybe it shouldn't be completely free to reproduce and share, but thinking of it as property has obvious negative effects.

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Post by mljoe »

briandear wrote: post #168
YokoZar wrote: post #19

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> Are you going to tell them they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they had one of their most successful releases? Are you claiming they wouldn't have made the music otherwise? It's hard to imagine such megastars deciding that the marginal effort of another hit album just wasn't worth making unless they could collect hypothetical revenue for more than 2 decades. Copyright law is to incentivize c…

It doesn’t matter if they created the work 20 years ago or not, it’s theirs. Can people go into your house 20 years after you build it and just say it’s their because they like the way it looks? Intellectual property is still property.

Do you propose IP be treated similarly to real property? Maybe require a permit from the government before one writes a book or song to ensure that work will be in the public interest?

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #107
dotancohen wrote: post #52

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Who was sending these notices? Sounds like perjury to me.

Welcome to the DMCA. It's as broken as copyright and causing quite serious stifling of young creators. It sometimes feels like it's used more for evil than for its legitimate purpose.

It's seems to me it's doing what the people who paid for it want.

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Post by komali2 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #164
jobigoud wrote: post #136

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YouTube partners can upload a collection of files they claim rights on, and a YouTube bot will check any newly published video against anything in that database. It's all automated. They don't verify if the claimant actually has the rights, this is left to the "dispute" process. Sometimes multiple companies upload the same files. Sometimes the algorithm has false positives because the section of audio used is too sho…

Sometimes they use your work in theirs, upload it and have YouTube flag your original as infringing. I have to wonder why anybody still uses YouTube. It can't be the community.

I mean, what could compete, in terms of raw audience?

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

lmm wrote: post #166
strig wrote: post #117

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How is this not considered fraud or theft?

Because Google is a private company and allowed to delete videos whenever they like (assuming you don't have a contract where they've agreed to host them for you or anything like that). IMO YouTube ought to be regulated the same way as broadcast media used to, with things like the equal-time rule, but that's not the rule as it currently stands.

The Equal Time rule was strictly for political candidates. Perhaps you're thinking of the Fairness Doctrine, which only made sense when broadcast media were very limited.

There's got to be a good way to get Google to stop censoring one side of the political spectrum, but if we have to resort to legislation or regulation, we're doing it wrong.

If we can't, then I guess Google really is too powerful.

Edit: Google is evil. But Google is also free. If we can't counter the first without eliminating the second, then we have failed as a society.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

lmm wrote: post #166
strig wrote: post #117

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How is this not considered fraud or theft?

Because Google is a private company and allowed to delete videos whenever they like (assuming you don't have a contract where they've agreed to host them for you or anything like that). IMO YouTube ought to be regulated the same way as broadcast media used to, with things like the equal-time rule, but that's not the rule as it currently stands.

Regulation isn't the answer. Competition is the answer. So the question comes down to, is competition with YouTube possible? Or is Google a monopoly?
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