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Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this. I just want to attach a tmux/vi session to that EINK panel, I'll even bring my own wireless keyboard.

Same here. I’m sure plenty want that, but apparently not enough.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

I want an e-ink display on which I can read scientific papers. Sadly, this isn't possible unless the whole paper fits on the screen, because scrolling on e-ink quickly becomes a real chore due to the refresh rate.

There are e-readers out there big enough for this: the Onyx Boox Max2 and Sony DPT-RP1 (and possibly others). They’re expensive, but if you’re willing to shell out for a dedicated device for this purpose they work well.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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You can't rest fingers on this touch keyboard the same way you can on phisical keyboard (laying hand on a keys without enogh force to push the keys). I would not be confortable of hovering hand all the time - usually I rest my fingers on keycaps when in idle mode (not actively hovering above the keyboard)

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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I'm still consistently enraged at trackpads without physically distinct left and right buttons. No one does them right. Not even Apple.

I have a Yoga P40. It's a great machine. The CPU, RAM, and SSD are very fast: I can compile heavy stuff in a blink. The HDPI display is gorgeous: I can open it 180° or 360° and sketch or paint on it with an active pen. The keyboard is not bad. It's not mechanical, but it doesn't tire my hands as others do.

But the one thing that drives me nuts is the buttonless trackpad. This thing is utterly unusable. I've been trying everything: pushing it down with the finger that's doing the tracking; using another hand to use the trackpoint buttons; using the trackpoint itself... it's no use. Clicking on the odd link is ok, but doing any precision selecting, dragging or drawing is useless.

I used to be able to draw freehand with a good trackpad and a separate button under it. Now I struggle to drag a file over the right folder.

In hindsight, I should have bought an older model with actual buttons. This huge disadvantage trumps all the other benefits.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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On most devices tap-to-click is on by default. It’s always the first thing I turn off. I have always found it completely useless and it turns incidental touches into accidental clicks. “Oops, guess I sent that email.” This isn’t relevant to the parent’s complaint, though. Without dedicated buttons, you’re relying on the driver to distinguish between a one and two finger click. That detection, even on Apple devices, i…

This works amazingly well on Linux with the ancient synaptics driver. I've never had to change the defaults

This is probably a personal preference thing. It's always the first thing I turn off too, even on linux. No amount of tinkering with the settings ever got me to a "sweet spot" where I'm not accidentally clicking things.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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How is anyone supposed to type on something like that?

The video showing the guy typing and the sound of the haptic feedback gives you a good idea of what it feels like. Watching it I can see how it might work well. I am sure it would take some getting used to. I can also see how some people's initial reaction might be similar to the reaction a lot of people had to the original iPhone. Of course now most people are very comfortable typing on a touchscreen phone keyboard.

>Of course now most people are very comfortable typing on a touchscreen phone keyboard.

Comfortable enough, yeah. But I really don't think the comparison is apt. Phone usage != laptop usage. I don't think you will find more than a handful of people comfortable with the idea of writing, say, a term paper on their iPhone/iPad/Surface/etc. touch keyboard. And those have been around for a long time.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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I'm still consistently enraged at trackpads without physically distinct left and right buttons. No one does them right. Not even Apple.

I actually really liked the way Apple handled it on their 17 inch macbook pro. It had one physical button at the bottom of the trackpad that stretched the entire width of the trackpad. If you wanted to right click, you put two fingers on the trackpad and clicked with the thumb. It worked great.

Unfortunately, their first attempt at the magic trackpad worked poorly in that regard. I could never get the right click to engage reliably like I could on the macbook pro.

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Hah yea. Pressure sensitivity and haptic feedback on the touchbar to reduce accidental button presses would go a long way for me.

They already have haptic feedback on their trackpad, which is non mechanical. Merging the touchbar and trackpad would make a lot of sense; it's a lot of real estate to waste. Oled is the way to go here though. That's what they did with the touchbar.

The haptic feedback on the trackpad is amazing. I totally forget that it's not mechanical. I really dislike how big it is though. I know Apple tries to prevent false signals (e.g. palm touches when typing) with software but I just don't think it will ever work well enough to not be annoying.

It would take me a while to get used to having to press a button to show the trackpad like on the Yoga Book. I like that it automatically hides when typing, but constantly having to bring it back up, to scroll in a small textarea for example, would be annoying.

Merging the touchbar and trackpad, kind of like that Asus laptop that came out recently would be interesting. I thought it would be awkward at first but a lot of reviewers seem to think it's useful.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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post #3

How is anyone supposed to type on something like that?

You could always have a thin removable plastic pad on the top of the keyboard that would fake the buttons and provide the tactile feedback, while still allowing for small factor, easy cleanup and longevity of the touchscreen interface.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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E-ink displays are awesome and Lenovo never stops innovating. I am bit skeptical about the keyboard feel though. I really hope that they will take in consideration a double screen for phones too, something like the YotaPhone.

I loved the idea of the yotaphone and bought the second version (using it to write this) but it's actually the worst phone I've ever owned by a wide margin. The hardware quality is not great and it's stuck on a very old version of Android.

The eink display is neat and great for navigation especially, handy for visual notifications on a desk, but otherwise not as useful or as cool as I expected. I kind of regretted buying it.

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