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Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by jsz0 »

jonknee wrote: post #18
jasonlotito wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fixing all the problems that OSX is still plagued with. On a daily basis. Here are problems I deal with that are Apple related, almost on a daily basis: * iChat and Bonjour. I cannot, for the life of me, get my iMac and my wife's MBP to chat, let alone do anything else iChat says it can do. I've not found a solution. I can occasionally see the MBP on my iMac, but I cannot do anything with it. * Make iLife make sense.…

iLife and Safari are updated outside of system releases, so I wouldn't bet too heavily there. iChat will get an update though, surely with FaceTime support baked in.

I agree there are some core apps that have been neglected but overall usability in OSX in my opinion is still far better than the alternatives. The biggest issue seems to be that some applications have matured well beyond their original GUI so as new features have been added some of the simplicity has been lost. My guess is many of the core apps (Mail, iCal, iTunes, etc) will end up looking a lot more like their iOS equivalents.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by brownleej »

_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

I would love to see them release a Mac App Store. Of course, if they made it the only way to get new programs on a Mac, I would never upgrade, but I think providing a central market-place for software could be a very useful thing for a lot of users. Also, as a developer, I would love for there to be a way to sell apps that gives me the ability to reach a wide market, and also keeps me from having to run my own DRM system, or even my own payment system. The iOS app store is far from a perfect system, but I think this would still be a net win for developers. I think it would especially be good for iOS developers who need to have a traditional PC counterpart to their mobile app.

Of course, my pipe dream would be if they would release a Windows app store at the same time, with as little friction as possible for releasing apps on both platforms. I doubt that Apple would do that, but who knows.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by Timothee »

ary wrote: post #16
_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

Two things. One is a possibility, and one is a dream. 1. The Finder is going to change. What is becomes I don't know, but I think the filesystem will be further downplayed as Apple tries to take its vision of user friendliness even further. This is the possibility. 2. Window management goes away. Imagine software that didn't need its UI sorted and resized. Personally I hate even thinking about where something should…

How would window management go away in a desktop OS? By having only fullscreen apps à la iOS/Android?

I don't see that feasible or desirable. In a small format it works, but on a desktop I very often want to see multiple windows at the same time. (say, reading documentation with code, or multiple files open at once)

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by pornel »

_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

Proper filesystem-level encryption would be nice.

File Vault is a poor hack. Needs logout to free disk space. You can't sudo into file-vaulted account. It makes Time Machine nearly useless: you can only restore entire home directory at once. It won't backup anything in home while you're logged in.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by jasonlotito »

jeffclark wrote: post #40
jasonlotito wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to get our iPad looked at, too. It constantly has problems, but my iPhone4 has no issues with local wifi connections. Between the iPad and the MBP, it's a crap shoot with connectivity. I also complain to my wife that she needs to stop going on and offline all the time. She doesn't appreciate that. =) Edit: For those that think no problem exists: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/ipad-wifi/

Has it occurred to you that multiple devices having wifi issues could be your wifi setup?

Yes, and we've looked into that as well. We've tried multiple routers (we returned 2 prior to this one, thinking it was the routers at fault), and in each case the problem was always the same: iPad and MBP. Both of these have cases that can be searched for online, and lots of other people have these problems. For the MBP, it had something to do with Snow Leopard, as downgrading seems to help somewhat. For the iPad, their are other reports of it being a energy saving issue. We don't have issues with the iPhone 3GS, iPhone4, or the iMac when it's on the wireless.

We also considered the location of the router, but both the iPad and MBP suffer the problem even if they are in the same room as the router.

We also don't experience the problem on a netbook we have that runs both Linux and Win7. However, we don't use it that often, but it's never had the problem whenever we did use it.

It could simply be a hardware issue, but as I said, we aren't the only ones having this problem.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by mcella »

_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

Just one thing: bring back the leopard exposè!

I installed snow leopard and reverted back to leopard just after 3 hours as I couldn't stand the new (non proportional) exposè.

Yes, I'm exposè addicted...

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by dolinsky »

jasonlotito wrote: post #35
mbreese wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried playing with firewall settings? My wife and I had issues syncing our computers until we got the firewall setup right. iLife isn't really part of OSX, even though it comes pre-installed. It usually gets a separate release on it's own so they can sell upgrades to people on older versions of OSX. The videos / iPhoto issue is annoying, but derives from the addition of videos to the iPhone. I'm not sure how…

In reverse: Oh, I like my Macs. I like the environment. However, it's not all roses and unicorn kisses as some make it out to be. The problem is when you want to do something remotely outside the default. Like, for instance, if you plug in your iPhone and you don't want iPhoto starting up and stealing focus, then it's a headache. Smart defaults work best, defaults that don't interrupt your workflow. Look at TimeMachi…

Like, for instance, if you plug in your iPhone and you don't want iPhoto starting up and stealing focus, then it's a headache.

Go into Image Capture and change the preference to not start iPhoto when it is connected. The reason it does this by default is b/c your iPhone has a camera so everytime you connect your iPhone the 'smart default' is 'hey there are pictures, let's suck 'em down 'n back 'em up!'.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by Timothee »

Corrado wrote: post #8
_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

That's a good question. I'm guessing that UI tweaks will be the order of the day: - I remember when the Dock was a new idea; will there be a similar revelation in task management? - The "Spaces" feature could use some work to bring it up to par with similar functionality in Ubuntu. - Complete the transition to 64-bit for every single Apple sub-system|program. - Tighter integration/control of external stuff: AppleTV,…

- Tighter integration/control of external stuff: AppleTV, Airport Express, etc.

Not that I have any hope of seeing this, but I would extend it to iPhones, iPad, etc. for things like sharing clipboards, using the computer's mic/audio to pick up the phone, direct access to the iPhone's camera from the desktop... basically make the relationship between the computers and devices more symbiotic.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by brownleej »

cletus wrote: post #21
_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

I must admit, one thing I've become absolutely dependent on in Windows 7 is when you press Start you can do a quick lookup of the program you're after by typing a few characters. Sure OSX has the Finder and Spotlight but it's not quite as quick and convenient, in my experience. But my big request is this: implement the TRIM command in the OS to open up the SSD choices. This is long overdue.

I use Quiksilver for this purpose. It's as easy as Spotlight, but I've found it to be faster for the specific purpose of launching apps.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by dolinsky »

pornel wrote: post #37
_b8r0 wrote: post #5

Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

Rewrite Finder, again. It has stupid limitations — files in use, can't put item to trash while trash is emptied. Still has only read-only support for FTP, locks up with WebDav, can't browse ZIP, etc. Copying in Finder is much slower than with cp. On Samba drive it may need 10-20 seconds to replace 2kb file. It handles permission errors erratically (sometimes asks for permission, sometimes fails, sometimes asks and fa…

While I agree about Finder getting the shaft, have you checked out Pathfinder? http://www.cocoatech.com/
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