Asian-American Students Suing Harvard Over Admissions Win Justice Dept. Support

Post by adrr » Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

jaaron wrote: post #15

40acres wrote: post #7

This argument, while important, is the low hanging fruit of the affirmative action debate in my opinion. We would not need affirmative action if legacy based admissions wasn't so prevalent in top schools. We would not need affirmative action if every school district in America recieved proper funding to support teachers and enable smaller class sizes, test prep for students to take specialized exams, and after school…

But there's the rub: "We would not need affirmative action if [reality was different]." Ergo, we need affirmative action. That is not to say we shouldn't also put significant effort into eradicating institutional prejudices, eliminating poverty, and investing in all communities. However, that effort will take generations and may never fully succeed, which means affirmative action, in its various forms, is necessary t…

Post by Berobero » Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #27

jaaron wrote: post #15

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But there's the rub: "We would not need affirmative action if [reality was different]." Ergo, we need affirmative action. That is not to say we shouldn't also put significant effort into eradicating institutional prejudices, eliminating poverty, and investing in all communities. However, that effort will take generations and may never fully succeed, which means affirmative action, in its various forms, is necessary t…

Trying to force the outcome of something is never going to work. We need to fix the pipeline.

Post by malcolmgreaves » Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

jaisfj wrote: post #45

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #30

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Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, culture, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.) Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up for the benefit of white people. Your confusion comes from falsely equating racial discrimination and racism.

No. Racism is: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior"

Post by nightcracker » Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 5:14 PM UTC

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #50

A lot of commenters here are demonstrating that they do not understand the difference between racism and racial discrimination. Racsim is the systematic oppression of people. It's carried out in instutions, culture, and processes: individual people do not perform racsim. (Individuals can discriminate.) Racism depends on country / region. In the US, racism exits against black and brown people. It is a system set up fo…

Post by thatswrong0 » Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

ejstronge wrote: post #60

educationdata wrote: post #52

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Your assumption is wrong. Even if there is no legacy based admissions, even if every school district in America received proper funding for everything, Black students will still have significantly low educational attainment and achievement. It is because the extremely high percentage of Black kids living under single parenthood family [1], and there is no educational / societal intervention can reverse its impact on…

> Your assumption is wrong Perhaps... > It is because the extremely high percentage of Black kids living under single parenthood family [1] This is wildly unsourced - what data do you have (ideally across nations/racial categories) for this?