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For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by lordlimecat »

_x5tx wrote: post #110
rlander wrote: post #76

It has to go both ways, though. At my last job, when I first talked to the CTO (my boss) about leaving, he asked me to think about it and talk again the next day. The next day he postponed the meeting. Then, at the day of the meeting, he was out of the office. It had been 5 days since the first talk so I chose to escalate the matter and, in an Arrested-Development-episode kind of situation, I learned that the CEO and…

How did you manage to leave?

I think you just leave if theyre gone two weeks. It's not like you didn't give notice.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by saudioger »

auslander wrote: post #51
saudioger wrote: post #48

If you're unaware of other cultures this will make no sense to you, but quitting in many places is very very hard.

I am unaware of other cultures, but you could take some effort to describe it to me.

You could take some effort to look it up. I don't have to correct something to claim it's incorrect.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by lovich »

chrisco255 wrote: post #108
gknoy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been at multiple companies where people get zero minutes notice of a layoff -- "Hey, come meet with me -- btw IT just took your machine." Despite that, the team I worked with were people I was close to, whose skill and wisdom I respect. It was as a courtesy to my _manager_ (and my team) that I gave N>=2 weeks notice. After all, every single one of these people are people I would love to work with again, and I'd…

I've seen every kind of way a company handles a firing or layoff, good, bad, everything in between. Doesn't matter. That's not you. What kind of impression and what kind of legacy do you want to leave? It costs you nothing to be the bigger person in any case. But hopefully, you leave a toxic company long before they do this kind of thing to you.

It costs you (14/365)*the salary increase at a new job. Additionally it puts you in a legal gray zone where you have quit employer A, but dont work at employer B yet. Employer B can rescind the job offer which leaves you with no job and no unemployment payments because the states views it as you voluntarily becoming unemployed. I have gone through that situation so it's not theoretical, and it does have an actual cost.

As for keeping a personal relationship, giving two weeks to maintain friendly relationships with a manager is just something weve all decide to do for seemingly no reason. Unless you work in a no skill job, you are not going to be replaced in 2 weeks. You are also not going to be able get an actual knowledge transfer done in two weeks unless your team had already done this before you quit, in which case the notice period doesn't matter anyway.

The two weeks notice period just let's companies get another two weeks of work from you, at a job you have explicitly decided you dont want to stay at

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by chrisco255 »

lovich wrote: post #113
chrisco255 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen every kind of way a company handles a firing or layoff, good, bad, everything in between. Doesn't matter. That's not you. What kind of impression and what kind of legacy do you want to leave? It costs you nothing to be the bigger person in any case. But hopefully, you leave a toxic company long before they do this kind of thing to you.

It costs you (14/365)*the salary increase at a new job. Additionally it puts you in a legal gray zone where you have quit employer A, but dont work at employer B yet. Employer B can rescind the job offer which leaves you with no job and no unemployment payments because the states views it as you voluntarily becoming unemployed. I have gone through that situation so it's not theoretical, and it does have an actual cos…

For a professional job, there's usually a waiting period of a couple weeks before the job is ready to onboard you. It's extremely rare and unexpected that a company gives you an offer on Friday and expects you to start on the following Monday.

It's not just your manager, it's your coworkers, it's your team. You don't want to leave them hanging at a critical juncture with no time to find a replacement. It's not for no reason, it's because relationships matter, more than you know, and it pays a lot of dividends to invest in long-lasting relationships that carry on even beyond your job.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by vilmosi »

jonawesomegreen wrote: post #107
groby_b wrote: post #94

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It's an incredibly patronizing way to give feedback: "Hey, you'd never be able to handle criticism on its own, let me window dress it for you. I assume you'll be stupid enough to never notice" There are plenty of ways to deliver negative feedback with empathy, in a non-hurtful way. This, however, isn't one of them.

I disagree. Using a shit sandwich is a way to show empathy in a conversation and have your words heard by the other party. Contrast: I think the functionality of the application is very useful. The UI is really lacking, especially when doing X, Y and Z. I really like the Q feature it would save me some time. With: The UI sucks.

Haha, honestly, this is so common that when someone at work wants to talk about a product and starts with a compliment, my mind immediately tries to figure out what could be wrong with it.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by merpnderp »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #85
Nadya wrote: post #74

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>When those niceties are not a free choice, but "strongly encouraged" by management, they quickly stop being nice. It isn't about being nice though - it's about giving the appearance of nice. If everyone is being nice and courteous to one another for the sake of group harmony, then I think it is good. I can understand why many people would be irritated by it, but then this kind of culture isn't for them. I visit Japa…

That's the love hate relationship with Japan. When I visited there the first time I thought wow everyone is so friendly and the customer service is great! But the more I visited and spoke with my friends who live there, realize that a lot of it is just to put up a face because that is what society there requires them to do. On a personal level it is quite sad in a way, but I also wish the customer service would be li…

This is called being professionally courteous. There is no implication of heart felt warmth, simply that someone is giving their job their best effort.

It's while I'll never leave my US state where courtesy is built into the local culture even when you're having a bad day. I'd rather be surrounded by people at a minimum respecting the idea we're all stuck here together than a bunch of grouses letting everyone know how unhappy they are, thus making everyone share their misery.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by lovich »

chrisco255 wrote: post #114
lovich wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It costs you (14/365)*the salary increase at a new job. Additionally it puts you in a legal gray zone where you have quit employer A, but dont work at employer B yet. Employer B can rescind the job offer which leaves you with no job and no unemployment payments because the states views it as you voluntarily becoming unemployed. I have gone through that situation so it's not theoretical, and it does have an actual cos…

For a professional job, there's usually a waiting period of a couple weeks before the job is ready to onboard you. It's extremely rare and unexpected that a company gives you an offer on Friday and expects you to start on the following Monday. It's not just your manager, it's your coworkers, it's your team. You don't want to leave them hanging at a critical juncture with no time to find a replacement. It's not for no…

I guess we hang out in different crowds then. The other software engineers I know would congratulate someone for leaving with no notice. The only reason we haven't is fear that your managers might start trashing you in the community here, there is zero concern that coworkers would be upset.

I get the concept of not burning bridges, but you gotta ask if the bridge is gonna take you somewhere you want to go

Edit: Additionally, every job I've worked at in my career has wanted me to start ASAP. I've even had one explicitly ask me if I could give my previous employer less notice so I could start earlier

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by [deleted] »

john_moscow wrote: post #91
rlander wrote: post #76

It has to go both ways, though. At my last job, when I first talked to the CTO (my boss) about leaving, he asked me to think about it and talk again the next day. The next day he postponed the meeting. Then, at the day of the meeting, he was out of the office. It had been 5 days since the first talk so I chose to escalate the matter and, in an Arrested-Development-episode kind of situation, I learned that the CEO and…

I'm curious what would have happened, had you also taken a sick vacation then. BTW, generally, people are less likely to pull off shit like that if you motivate your resignation with some health/moving/whatever external factors. Just shift the focus way from "I don't want to work with you assholes" to "my wife got reassigned to %STATENAME%, so I guess I have to follow" or whatever sounds plausible and you're good to…

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Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by whamlastxmas »

gowld wrote: post #78
whamlastxmas wrote: post #59

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As another person commented, a job is not a commitment. It's a transaction, and it's very impersonal in nature. The second I am not profitable for my employer my ass is out the door, and generally they won't give me any sort of notice. I don't owe my employer anything other than work for my paycheck. If my manager or employer needs "closure" from an employee leaving, they're overly attached to their employees.

Not everyone -- especially salaried professionals -- works at a toxic company like yours.

You're kidding yourself if you think 99% of employers wouldn't lay off an employee if he or she wasn't profitable.
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