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Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW, I can’t speak for Miami but I do know that the costs for flood insurance are high enough in coastal areas that some people skip it entirely.
The other side of this is to adopt coastal retreat policies as well though. Its not enough to drive insurance up, you need to prevent people moving in anyway because it's cheap land because of that.
SciAm recently had a good article about these policies and the challenges they face:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/surrendering-to-r...
Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
#193This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…
According to NASA [1], global sea levels have been rising at a fairly steady 3.2 millimeters per year since 1993. According to NOAA [2], the "relative sea level trend" in Miami Beach is 2.39 mm/year. At those rates, in 100 years, the sea will have risen about one foot, not six. 1: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ 2: https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/
That ignores storm surges, which can be massive.
Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Curious - what age group?
In my experience, anyone under age 40, for sure.
I'm 34, and that's not my experience.
>According to a new survey from Discover, millennials are outperforming older generations when it comes to saving for their future. In a national study of 2,205 people, Discover finds that 81 percent of millennials are currently saving in some capacity, compared to 74 percent of Generation Xers and 77 percent of baby boomers.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180110005313/en/Dis...
Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
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I wonder if people living in coastal flood-prone areas are expecting a bail-out when it becomes impossible or impractical to live there.
They absolutely are. 99 Percent Invisible recently did an episode about the Outer Banks islands in North Carolina, which would be eroding naturally anyway even without sea level rise because they are barrier islands, which are always impermanent. Interviews with the residents there made it clear that they feel that a) there is no problem and b) if there is a problem, they are entitled to unlimited government funds fo…
Same in LA:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-del-mar-sea-leve...
Herb Montgomery and his wife, Janet, have lived in Del Mar's low-lying Beach Colony just east of Camino Del Mar for 20 years.
He knows the ocean is creeping closer to his property and he says the city has an obligation to protect his home, valued at $3.2 million, from the rising waters
Things are going to get ugly down the road.
Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
#196This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…
Very many HN discussions begin with a comment criticizing the article, almost always with some easy Internet-style cynicism, hyperbole, anger, etc. It diminishes the quality of HN for me; it contributes little or nothing to my understanding.
Blame everyone who upvoted this clickbait low-quality article to... over 200 points. Jesus
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Should we also tax people living in earthquake-prone and tornado-prone areas? How about blizzard-prone areas? Keep going with this and we will run out of places (in the USA) where it’s ok to live. Also, as someone who lived in south Florida, flood insurance is a joke and unavailable near the coast anyway. Nobody expects it to pay out enough in a major catastrophe, including hurricanes and flooding.
Blizzards don’t typically level buildings, and a tornado’s path of destruction is narrow enough that the lucky homeowners can sufficiently subsidize the unlucky ones through insurance. Neither of those risks are comparable to earthquakes and hurricanes/flooding, which can be relied upon to thoroughly destroy huge swaths of cities, regularly.
California regularly survives 6.0 earthquakes with minimal damage, because our building codes require earthquake-safe construction. For example, the 2008 Chino Hills quake, at 5.5 intensity, caused almost no damage other than the unsecured contents of store shelves falling onto the floor.
In contrast, a slightly stronger quake in DC (5.8) caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to structures, including to the Washington Monument, because the local building codes did not contemplate earthquakes.
Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First
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Half of your “red” coastline consists of Florida—the vast majority of the coastal population of which is blue (see any 2016 electoral map).
Your point about red vs blue isn’t at issue here. These are all still the coastal states that are the most vociferously denying climate change. You’ll find it pretty hard to argue that any of them are more in favor of climate change action that the other coastal states regardless of whether they show up blue or red on an election map.
Of course. But we didn't really start off by arguing about state-level beliefs. You claimed the people most affected by sea level rise least believe in it--presumably as a dig at republicans (haha they're so blinkered by ideology they can't even see their own self interest!) And I claim that, no, republicans mostly do not live on the coasts, are not the most affected, and thus there is no tension between their ideology and their self-interest.
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I live in South Beach. Private flood insurance has pulled out of the market after Hurricane Andrew in 1992, and it’s not just South Beach it’s a majority of Miami-Dade County. On the beach it has gotten to a point where some commercial properties can’t get insured...that will be an inevitable disaster.
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