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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by jessedhillon »

rpdillon wrote: post #55
dmode wrote: post #52

Magic Leap raised boatloads of money, which game me the impression that they are really building something mass market that can be useful for most people in this world. I am not into gaming and have kids, so cannot wear AR glasses in my home and walk around. Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ?

Is an Oculus niche? I brought my Go on a family vacation last month, and after trying it on, both my sisters wanted one. Neither are people I would say have ever gamed much before, but after they experienced it, they were sold.

Did they end up buying their own VR gear then? My sister said she loved Star Wars after watching episode III in theaters, but still hasn't seen any of the others.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by CodeCube »

xixixao wrote: post #67
aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

I am a big VR/AR fan, but I am interacting with this forum sitting in a chair moving my hands max 2 inches there and back. That's comfortable. That's something I can do for hours and hours. It's quite possible that VR/AR will augment, not replace.

The real trick is going to come from the new interaction models that are invented ... I'm not just talking about the generic point, touch, and gesture UX that we have today in the AR/VR space; I'm talking about entirely new categories of tasks and abilities that are simply not possible using the inputs of today. We're already starting to see some really innovative art being created by "physically" being in the space (as in Tilt Brush) ... I wonder when we'll start seeing more 3d content creation tools being VR-native. Or CAD tools where you can lay out changes to a structure in real time ... that one is especially interesting given that you can (in theory) make a real-time map of your environment using some of the "inside out" positioning sensors that are already on headsets today.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by spicymaki »

chooseaname wrote: post #63
aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".

I love my glasses. They help me see better. They are so light I don't even remember that I am wearing them. They also provide rudimentary physical and UV radiation protection for my eyes. They transition to a darker color outdoors and reduce glare. They also look nice on me. Would be fun to see a poll on whether people in general like or dislike glasses.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by [deleted] »

oihoaihsfoiahsf wrote: post #64
40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

Startup literature about MVPs is mostly relevant to software products, which are inexpensive to develop compared to almost anything else.

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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by troygoode »

xixixao wrote: post #67
aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

I am a big VR/AR fan, but I am interacting with this forum sitting in a chair moving my hands max 2 inches there and back. That's comfortable. That's something I can do for hours and hours. It's quite possible that VR/AR will augment, not replace.

On the timescale OP is talking about there is a decent chance users won’t have to move their hands/fingers at all.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/facebook-brain-interface/

AR would replace the display, not all input mechanisms.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by IkmoIkmo »

sp332 wrote: post #18
dna_polymerase wrote: post #15

I remember the first articles about this super secretive start up from not the Silicon Valley, that did some super amazing stuff, loads of VC-cash and all that. This thing now looks really underwhelming. The pages full of marketing talk to present basically another (better, maybe) HoloLens.

What's wrong with being a better Hololens?

The fact they should've called it the Minor Leap One!

All jokes aside, it was shrouded in mystery and there was some marketing material that showed, as another poster described it, modern console level graphics, when in reality the product's graphics kind of look like the 1996 N64 to 2000 PS2, so far.

Plus there was excitement about certain features, like many three or even six focal planes. Instead there's two. Or the really immersion breaking feature in the clipping mask, it's less than a metre or so away. Anything outside of it just isn't rendered, while the world behind it of course is visible, so your 3d models just get cut off.

Everything in the lead-up indicated there might be a leap, but the reality is it's an incremental change. That's nice, but not what people hoped for.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by maccard »

DonHopkins wrote: post #69
hexeater wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose we have to suffer this type of non-content in order to enable those who ultimately deliver the goods!

Just like the way we had to suffer through the developer slave auctions at the infamous Microsoft "Pax Romana" toga party in Spartan Arena they rented along with real live lions for the DirectX II launch party, which decades later eventually led to the Hololens. The ends always justify the means. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.programmer... https://books.google.nl/books?id=1wEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT115&lpg…

When you mentioned DX II I immediately thought of Alex st john and thought "surely that's a coincidence". Amusingly, I was wrong.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by thefounder »

chooseaname wrote: post #63
aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".

Of course people will tolerate glasses(more or less smart) if the experience is worth it.

I don't think people ever enjoyed carrying things around(laptops, tablets, smartphones etc) but they do. They don't really like big loudspeakers or TVs or tv setup boxes either still they buy them.

I would replace both my laptop and my smartphone with a pair of glasses anytime(if it would be possible).

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by thefounder »

spicymaki wrote: post #73
chooseaname wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".

I love my glasses. They help me see better. They are so light I don't even remember that I am wearing them. They also provide rudimentary physical and UV radiation protection for my eyes. They transition to a darker color outdoors and reduce glare. They also look nice on me. Would be fun to see a poll on whether people in general like or dislike glasses.

I think a better pool would be to see if people would replace their laptop or smartphone with a pair of glasses because after all this is what the smartglass manufacturers aim to do.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by jvagner »

eganist wrote: post #62
40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

> ultimately too expensive and too late Their only (admittedly public) rival in the space is Microsoft, and adoption of HoloLens even as a developer platform hasn't exactly been groundbreaking. There are still many laps left 'til the finish line.

Or we remember it like we remember 3D TVs.
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