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Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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It's probably a bad sign. Almost no one is in a position to bring that many on board and use them effectively, and I'm tempted to say no one is unless they're already a fair multiple of that size. When you combine that with being open to "beginners willing to learn" which almost no one can afford, it makes it sound like one of the "We need 5 times what our ten guys are doing and that means 40 more." bad decisions. Generally you don't need forty more. You need one or two geniuses and perhaps management and replacement.

This is all based on information in this posting. I know nothing about the company or its situation or even if they really are looking for 40+. I'm just generally suspicious about this sort of recruiting.

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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Here is the link to the actual job I believe: http://www5jh.openhire.com/epostings/submit.cfm?fuseaction=a... 40 decent perl programmers in Amsterdam is going to be tough to fill. The only ones I know of that are good with Perl you wouldn't want to hire for any reason. First I thought they meant Perl programmers 40 years and older, but age discrimination is illegal here :)

If they are "good with Perl," then why would you "not want to hire them"?

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think really. Based on some discussion, it seems they are more adding a pile of new servers everyday, and they also seem to do a very good job at automating their process etc.

Can't be that good if they need 40 more keyboardists.

They do a lot of A/B testing. So you need to code each feature a few times to see which implementation results in more conversions.

It's not what a startup would do, correct, but they are swimming in money and this practice apparently gets them even more.

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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Here is the link to the actual job I believe: http://www5jh.openhire.com/epostings/submit.cfm?fuseaction=a... 40 decent perl programmers in Amsterdam is going to be tough to fill. The only ones I know of that are good with Perl you wouldn't want to hire for any reason. First I thought they meant Perl programmers 40 years and older, but age discrimination is illegal here :)

If they are "good with Perl," then why would you "not want to hire them"?

I think that he's saying that their other characteristics would make you not want to hire them, even though they are good with Perl.

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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I never realized until recently how hard something like this is. People do not want to move. People that hear about your job post usually have some reason to have heard about your job post, like they can't program at all and their last employer finally figured it out. Unfortunately, you can't know this until they show up and you ask them a few questions about Perl. (I love how one candidate tried to BS me on a basic Perl question. "Do you know OO Perl?" "Yes." "What's the first argument to a Perl method?" "$_". "Don't you mean $_[0]?" "They're the same thing." Congratulations, you have clearly never written any Perl.)

I work at a bank, and we need Perl programmers too. We can afford to pay a lot better than booking.com, but we can't find anyone, either. It's very odd. (And it's not just Perl, we had the same problem with Java and C#, and are having the same problem with C++. Might as well rewrite our app in Haskell... at least those languages have a community.)

The other thing that I see as being difficult for booking.com is that people don't want to work with 40+ other people. Between learning "the rules" from the people already there and teaching the new folks how to program, there is never any time to get anything done. (My second "real job" was like this; I was not even a "team lead" and yet all I did was teach other people basic Perl + Database stuff. We got exactly no work done. At least if I was by myself I would have been able to do one person's work.)

In fact, I find the other Perl team in my office to be too big -- and they only have 4 people!

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in Den Haag for three months and I was surprised at how little Dutch was spoken on a day-to-day basis. Everyone defaulted to English all the time, and the only people I met who didn't speak it were immigrants from other countries (usually Russia). I was eventually able to pronounce Scheveningen, though. Edit: All this is to say, of all the non-English-speaking countries to go to as an English speak, The Nethe…

I live and work in The Netherlands and if there is a non-dutch speaker in one of my teams we default to English so everyone can follow the discussion, although it's a bit harder for everyone to follow and it takes a bit more time. For the younger people here English isn't a problem, for the 40+ (aged) people it can be. For even better adaption of English you should visit Scandinavia; In the short time I've been there…

Default to English just because there is ONE person who doesn't understand? Come on. Be proud of your native tongue and speak it. This is how languages die. Are the dutch willing to have their language replaced with English in 50 years?

All I'm saying is... if that one foreigner is motivated enough to stay in the Netherlands, he better damn well learn the language. He/she will have to anyway, in order to adapt in social settings.

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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post #21

It's probably a bad sign. Almost no one is in a position to bring that many on board and use them effectively, and I'm tempted to say no one is unless they're already a fair multiple of that size. When you combine that with being open to "beginners willing to learn" which almost no one can afford, it makes it sound like one of the "We need 5 times what our ten guys are doing and that means 40 more." bad decisions. Ge…

Obviously a management issue. 40 Perl developers is overkill on many levels.

If I were a Perl developer who wanted to live in Amsterdam, I would be scared of a place looking for 40 people - it means that their management is doing something nonsensical.

Re: Tell HN: booking.com is looking for 40+ Perl programmers (in Amsterdam)

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Hmm, so the news of Perl's deaths have been exaggerated then?

If you search on indeed.com, perl has more hits than python and ruby combined by a solid margin. Certainly many of these are for sys admin positions, but I still think it's a pretty telling statistic.
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