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I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body. In contrast, most of the comm…

there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body. Then where are they based? Literally all we are is a body. The idea of chronic and untreatable mental illness is a self fulfilling prophecy and does far more harm than good. Who has this idea? I’ve never heard of depression or anxiety being de…

They are symbolic constructs, based in the mind and expressed through the body. Like memes. As opposed to genes, which are also expressed through the body but which are chemical in nature.

Perhaps “garden variety” depression and anxiety aren’t the best examples here, although both of them do have their severe forms and even clinical labels like “treatment resistant depression”. I’m thinking particularly of more severe diagnoses like bipolar or schizophrenia, which are generally assumed in mainstream western psychiatry since at least the 60s to be lifelong illnesses whose symptoms may be treatable with medication but for which there is no known “cure”.

I’m speaking from the perspective of someone who watched his sister receive a bipolar diagnosis after a suicide attempt in late teens, and then watched her develop more severe “bipolar” behaviors as a result of the so-called antipsychotic drugs she was prescribed. Only years later did I realize that her suicide attempt was a direct result of severe chronic parental abuse that she was enduring at the time. Of course the relevant information never made it to the doctors who were forced to come up with a reason for a young girl attempting suicide, hence bipolar. My sister died by suicide last year. I can’t speak for others, but in her case the bipolar label was both a convenient cover-up for severe child abuse and essentially a death sentence for my sister’s soul and ultimately her life. I suspect that the same could be happening in many cases where abnormal or self-harming behavior is in fact a reaction to abuse. It’s just so much easier to tell someone that they have a chemical imbalance in their brain and it’s nobody’s fault, rather than confront a child abuse situation.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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There is a cartoon where a scientist travels to the future and finds the world has become an utopia. A friendly host shows the scientist the wonders of his world, and then says something like "no one is poor or hungry anymore, we have everything to cover everyone's needs, even a beautiful house for each". The scientists asks "Why not two houses?". The end panel is the scientist getting back into his machine while a n…

Do you have a link or name of the cartoon?

SMBC: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/time-machine

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We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past. I would much rather worry about whether my life truly matters than worry about whether my life will immediately come to an end if I can't kill or grow enough food. Depression was probably always an issue, today we just have the privilege of it being the most pressing problem for many of us.

Many of the most memorable, meaningful, and exhilarating experiences in my life are derived from times that were desperate, physically gruelling and dangerous. I think it's what we're designed for. A ship is safe in harbour but that's not what ships are for. The periods of depression in my life were quite safe and comfortable, and strongly associated with wondering if my life really matters, and you can't think about…

"The periods of depression in my life were quite safe and comfortable"

The problem is many find a way out of depression via suicide, so that is a very real danger for the chronically depressed.

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We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past. I would much rather worry about whether my life truly matters than worry about whether my life will immediately come to an end if I can't kill or grow enough food. Depression was probably always an issue, today we just have the privilege of it being the most pressing problem for many of us.

> We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past. IIRC, there's is strong reason to discount Maslow's heirarchy as an explanation of anything across different times and cultures, as the number, identity, and order of groups of needs had been shown to not consistently match his and to vary both culturally and, within a culture, in response to changing circums…

His work was never peer reviewed if I recall so it is suspect. Can anyone provide more info on the validity of his work and research methodology?

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Many of the most memorable, meaningful, and exhilarating experiences in my life are derived from times that were desperate, physically gruelling and dangerous. I think it's what we're designed for. A ship is safe in harbour but that's not what ships are for. The periods of depression in my life were quite safe and comfortable, and strongly associated with wondering if my life really matters, and you can't think about…

> A ship is safe in harbour but that's not what ships are for. What a powerful little phrase I’d never heard before. Thanks for sharing this!

For background on the quote: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/09/safe-harbor/

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sorry I agree that such extreme cases shouldn't be called mental illness and grouped with symptoms op is describing.

> shouldn't be called mental illness What should mania be called?

mania?

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…

>We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago.

If by luxuries we mean trinkets, then yes.

But power is also a luxury, and kings had it.

A nice house is also a luxury, and kings had the best (and actually, several).

Free time is the biggest luxury of all, and kings had it (what with personal cooks, a ton of attending stuff, etc).

The ability to influence your society is a luxury, and kings had it in spades.

A sense of purpose is also a luxury, and kings had it handed to them (e.g. leading their nation, etc).

Luxury is also comparative, and you don't miss what you don't even know (e.g. a 16th century king wouldn't miss not having internet). On that comparative level, to their peers, kings were above everybody else.

So, yeah, they didn't have Advil and iPhones, but their lives could be very much better than someone who had.

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So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…

We have the luxury of operating at much higher levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs than generations past. I would much rather worry about whether my life truly matters than worry about whether my life will immediately come to an end if I can't kill or grow enough food. Depression was probably always an issue, today we just have the privilege of it being the most pressing problem for many of us.

I am certain it is not that simple.

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So what do you guys think: hunter-gatherers, then feudal farmers and then now - how does median/average suffering per capita compare? We all have better luxuries now than kings had hundreds of years ago. Less famine, life threatening situations and so on. But we do have a way to compare ourselves with best parts of lives of many interesting people around the world. We have antibiotics and painkillers, but we also see…

Hunter gatherers didn't necessarily suffer that much. Sure, they faced a lot of environmental challenges like bugs, a lack of air conditioning, hunger, and serious diseases like malaria and smallpox, but they arguably had much easier social customs than we do now. There were no clothes, no laws, no social signaling for the most part. If you didn't like your tribe, I'm sure you were free to run away and eat berries in…

The threat of disease became much higher when cities appeared.
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