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I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

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post #86

For all the people in this thread musing that our ancestors had it good- a little risk, sure, but plenty of fulfillment & meaning- I can't help but wonder if the stigmatization on the left & among techies of serving in the military, could have unintended consequences. I've never served, but if you want to live in a small tight knit group, live adventurously with real danger and do physically grueling work and get you…

There is something to be said about left wing political beliefs being correlated with unhappiness. What causes what though is up for debate.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008/10/23/republicans-still-...

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#102
post #54

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> Evidence-based therapies are different than "chatting with a buddy." Do you have any experimental evidence for that?

Yes, here's a good place to start: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/understanding-psychotherapy.as...

Great username by the way.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#103
post #99

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> Is there a better word for mental illness, which stands on its own? Edited out offensive comment

As a person who suffers from mania I would argue that everyone "suffers from it" does not apply to mental illness. Do you have 3 or 4 days in a row where you can't sleep? Do you send emails to everyone at three in the morning that are totally crazy (such as only a maniac would write)? Do you speak at company meetings and have one of your employees write "shut up" on a piece of paper and hold it so that only you can s…

sorry I agree that such extreme cases shouldn't be called mental illness and grouped with symptoms op is describing.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#104
post #86

For all the people in this thread musing that our ancestors had it good- a little risk, sure, but plenty of fulfillment & meaning- I can't help but wonder if the stigmatization on the left & among techies of serving in the military, could have unintended consequences. I've never served, but if you want to live in a small tight knit group, live adventurously with real danger and do physically grueling work and get you…

Trade depression and anxiety for ptsd, depression, and anxiety or a possible early death? Sounds like a terrible solution to me.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#105
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person who suffers from mania I would argue that everyone "suffers from it" does not apply to mental illness. Do you have 3 or 4 days in a row where you can't sleep? Do you send emails to everyone at three in the morning that are totally crazy (such as only a maniac would write)? Do you speak at company meetings and have one of your employees write "shut up" on a piece of paper and hold it so that only you can s…

sorry I agree that such extreme cases shouldn't be called mental illness and grouped with symptoms op is describing.

> shouldn't be called mental illness

What should mania be called?

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#106
post #52

> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method. I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves re…

After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body.

In contrast, most of the common “mental illnesses” can be linked to specific forms of psychological trauma or injury. For example, depression and anxiety being caused by emotional abuse. Or PTSD resulting from a traumatic event.

The other term that comes to mind is “fracture” or “break”. Like, I fractured my femur when I was in college. I got surgery, the femur healed. My femur didn’t get an “illness” and I certainly don’t feel any stigma or shame around the experience, other than regretting skiing way too fast.

It would be cool to say the same about the depression I experienced.

“What happened to you?”

“Oh, I fractured my mind after a really bad relationship with an emotionally abusive ex. Yeah, my mind broke pretty good, but thankfully it was a pretty clean break, I got it set right and after a few years of psychoanalysis and some quality entheogens it’s as good as new.”

It’s time to ditch the illness/disease model for mental illness and use terms like injury/fracture/break that both accurately describe the situation and clearly indicate that the situation can be remedied. The idea of chronic and untreatable mental illness is a self fulfilling prophecy and does far more harm than good.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#107
post #52

> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method. I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves re…

After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body. In contrast, most of the comm…

That's interesting. The Wiktionary definition of "illness" says "an instance of a disease", and their definition of "disease" specifically says "distinct from injury insofar as the latter is usually instantaneously acquired".

If one gets PTSD from a traumatic event, then, is that by definition not mental illness? Wouldn't that literally be a "mental injury"?

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#109
post #52

> It’s just an illness. I mean, it’s right there in the name “Mental ILLNESS” so it shouldn’t have been the revelation that it was I think this is actually a big part of the problem. In most other contexts we encounter, stuffing an adjective in there means "NOT". Soy milk? Not real milk. Computer science? Don't see anyone using the scientific method. I'm absolutely certain that mental illness is real, and deserves re…

After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body. In contrast, most of the comm…

there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body.

Then where are they based? Literally all we are is a body.

The idea of chronic and untreatable mental illness is a self fulfilling prophecy and does far more harm than good.

Who has this idea? I’ve never heard of depression or anxiety being described as untreatable.

Just like the common cold is an “illness” and nobody claims it’s untreatable.

Re: I'm Wil Wheaton. I Live with Chronic Depression and Anxiety. I Am Not Ashamed

#110
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After wrestling with this linguistic problem for quite some time, the best term I’ve come up with this far is “mental injury”. I strongly prefer it to “illness” because illness connotes a disease of the flesh, and there is no proof that any of the things we typically call mental illness (with a few notable exceptions like alzheimer’s and possibly seizures) are actually based in the body. In contrast, most of the comm…

That's interesting. The Wiktionary definition of "illness" says "an instance of a disease", and their definition of "disease" specifically says "distinct from injury insofar as the latter is usually instantaneously acquired". If one gets PTSD from a traumatic event, then, is that by definition not mental illness? Wouldn't that literally be a "mental injury"?

Unless I’m missing something obvious - always a possibility - I believe we’re in complete agreement on PTSD being a great example of a “mental injury”. You may want to re-read my original comment.
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