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Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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Thats being pretty pedantic. Introduce one successfully is a pretty obvious implication. Even after almost a decade of desktop app stores they’re still really struggling to get user acceptance outside a few niches. In fact the only one I’d count as an actual commercial success is Steam.

indeed, my mistake I misunderstood the post

Classy, +1

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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The policies described in the root comment we're replying to have nothing to do with putting the user first. Apple puts Apple first, even when it's bad for users.

Maybe. But how bad would the user experience be if every time a user went to do an IAP, they were presented with a link to an external web page asking for their credit card information? Would that affect the security and privacy of the platform? Would it affect users' trust in the platform?

Maybe if Apple didn't charge many times more than credit card processors to handle payments, developers wouldn't be trying to avoid getting robbed.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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To be fair, browsers aren't always perfect about preserving backwards compatibility for every API. Miles ahead of native, and hundreds of miles ahead of mobile. For the most part, the web is one of the most future-proof platforms you can develop for, if not the most future-proof platform you can develop for. But there's still room to improve.

IBM mainframes are the most future-proof platform you can develop for. Current mainframes have backwards compatibility going back to the 70's. Perhaps even the 60's. The web is probably second, though. Either the web or Windows.

If we're including devices that almost nobody has access to, the most future proof device is not the one that keeps backwards compatibility, but the one that only has one version that is still produced, since initial compatibility is the only compatibility.

Any tricks and additional uses you develop for the abacus will likely long outlive any IBM if it's worthwhile. That doesn't mean it's particularly easy to develop something people will find worthwhile enough to propagate forward though. Backwards compatibility only matters as long as you have something that ca take advantage of it and a need to do so.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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Funny you mention Seattle City Light, have you seen their new (vulnerable) smart meters? They're fun to tango with, broadcasting with FSK modulation on 900Mhz and 2.4Ghz :3

So, they are technically incompetent, and your business depends on them? Sounds like your business is unsustainable!

To be clear, most smart meters employ any kind of encryption. Worse yet, the more rural areas switched to smart meters years before we did here in Seattle, meaning those utility customers have older meter models with even less protection.

Short of opting out of smart metering (which you can do), your pretty well stuck with a vulnerable meter in much of the US.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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As long as real computers don't go extinct, I can agree with this. I don't mind trusted computing; the problem is who owns the keys.

Better that a company like Apple holds the keys to my parents' iPads than my parents. Way better. Waaaaay better.

Yes, I agree with this. People who don't know or care should get devices that they don't have to manage themselves.

Personally I enjoy having the ability to write and run programs for the hardware I paid for without having to beg some company for their permission and blessing. As long as I always have that option, I don't mind.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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Maybe. But how bad would the user experience be if every time a user went to do an IAP, they were presented with a link to an external web page asking for their credit card information? Would that affect the security and privacy of the platform? Would it affect users' trust in the platform?

Maybe if Apple didn't charge many times more than credit card processors to handle payments, developers wouldn't be trying to avoid getting robbed.

Maybe if credit card processors started inventing platforms for software distribution and made them available and easy to use for anyone, they wouldn’t.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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> They are being redirected to the mobile web version of the app and asked to enter payment details with Netflix directly. Sorry, but if Apple's policies are applied consistently (I know they often aren't), this won't fly. I have an app with a basic email/password sign-in screen (the app represents a small part of a larger web-based SaaS product). Apple has rejected my app for including anything in the app that even…

I wonder if it would be possible for developers / other stake holders to launch an investment fund who's sole purpose is buy shares in Apple / Microsoft / etc with the view to influence internal policy. Activist investor style.

Given Apple’s current market-cap - over 1TN USD - you’ll need a lot of investors.

You’d have much better success by spending a fraction of the money to hire goons to kidnap Apple’s executives driving home from work and “convince” them to change corporate policy that way.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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You don't believe the Chinese government would force companies that want to do business in China to censor things they don't agree with or you have failed to notice the US trying to force companies to use compromised encryption so that they can spy on all communication?

Apple can always threaten to walk away from China if they request something like that. Apple also doesn't play nice with the FBI over those kinds of requests. This fantasy of yours is just getting wilder and wilder

Can I get an email address for you so I can send the I told you so in 5 years?

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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I say everyone involving in this are wrong.

What Netflix trying to achieve can be perfectly done by ordinary web browser. I don't know about their "app" but I bet it's just a wrapper of web browser.

The whole app ecosystem is crap. It must be abolished ASAP.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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> They're already trying to control the UX with the TV app and are offering companies better rev share rates to do the integration work. To be fair, that’s not the only reason the TV app was created. Most notably: – Users want a single place to keep track of all the shows they’re following across all services. Streaming services weren’t coming up with a cooperative solution for this, so Apple did it instead. – Plainl…

On the other hand, Apple controlling the UI means, as usual, they kill other services ability to innovate. But most apple users don't care to have very limited capabilities as long as the core value is here and it's streamlined in the apple experience. Hell, they used a phone without copy/paste for a long time and it didn't bother them.

On the other hand I don’t understand how Apple approved the Amazon Prim and YouTube Apple TV apps. The UX are horrible and I would rather not use them.

edit: added Apple TV

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