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Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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> The web itself could have been killed in the cradle on day one. The web is such a killer app, that if MS blocked it, it would be a problem for MS, not the web, imho. Also IANAL, but given that MS launched a competing service - The Microsoft Network - this seems like a huge anti-trust issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_Dial-up The combination of consumer demand for web access + anti-trust would probably crush…

We are talking hypothetical here -- all things being equal. Apple doesn't have anti-trust problems, they've closed off hackers, etc. Apple might not have a monopoly but closed-platform mobile OS is basicaly the whole market. But that's all beside the point, the web was a killer app because it was available. Microsoft could have killed it with the same policies as iOS long before it was ever popular. And not by target…

> We literally can't even invent the "next web" on mobile. There's no point even trying.

This right here.

I wonder if anyone at Apple even cares. Maybe they’re so pompous they don’t think anyone other than them even could invent the next web.

Whoever does, will have to invent their own hardware too I guess.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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You have to get there from the start; the app store has to be there from day one. Since that didn't happen on the desktop, it's pretty hard to retroactively introduce one (although Microsoft is trying hard).

Which major operating system doesn't have an app store equivalent?

Thats being pretty pedantic. Introduce one successfully is a pretty obvious implication. Even after almost a decade of desktop app stores they’re still really struggling to get user acceptance outside a few niches. In fact the only one I’d count as an actual commercial success is Steam.

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I miss the idea that a platform, applications, and marketplace were not a vertical stack owned by one entity. As a consumer, I’d love to buy a phone, not a content distribution straight jacket.

For the non-technical majority they are a huge advantage. We're never going to have average users fully technically aware. I well remember the state of Windows during Win 98 and XP where most had no idea what they were downloading, and it seemed every machine had malware, hidden pop ups and 37 IE toolbars. I was constantly asked to clean up friend's machines from the damage done by Kazaa and its associated garbage or…

As long as real computers don't go extinct, I can agree with this. I don't mind trusted computing; the problem is who owns the keys.

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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And arguably far more necessary. We have our phones turned on and with us almost 100% of the time we are alive. They can track our locations and hear everything we say. It's more important to control what apps can have access to with smartphones than it was on any prior platform.

Yeah, a difference between my phone and my laptop is that my phone needs to basically be an appliance: it needs to work consistently in all sorts of situations so I don’t get stranded somewhere in an emergency. For this purpose, having a really strict gatekeeper that limits what apps can do is a feature, not a bug.

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How is this different from Walmart taking a commission for putting your products on their shelf? Why does Apple get so much slack? 30% seems reasonable for giving access to its shelf.

Because I bought the shelf from Apple. It’s my shelf now. It’s my phone. Why is Apple involved at all if I want to stream videos from Netflix?

It’s like Wal-mart taking a cut of my cable bill because they sold me the TV. The overreach of Apple is preposterous.

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In the frontier days of app stores, a lot of the policies made way more sense. 30% cut but you don't need to engage a payment processor and it makes it way easier for the consumer to pay? Sure! App approval required so people don't download malware? That's good for consumers, which is also good for the ecosystem. Apple is much better at this than Google is too as we've seen more misbehaving Android apps than iOS (eg…

To me, the 30% is fine.

What disgusts me is that if I decline to use their platform, I can’t even tell users that there is a subscription available through another channel.

If Apple didn’t restrict our speech it would be an easier pill to swallow.

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I think we agree... I highly recommend iPhones and iPads to non-technical friends and family members for that exact reason. They are essentially foolproof. But I really don't like the fact that they are fully gated devices. Apple has already keep useful, but competitive-to-them, applications off their platform. They've force developers to eliminate user-beneficial changes to their applications. This is not good even…

What competitive software is not available on iOS? Every service that Apple sells has a comietitjr on iOS.

Chrome

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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I think we agree... I highly recommend iPhones and iPads to non-technical friends and family members for that exact reason. They are essentially foolproof. But I really don't like the fact that they are fully gated devices. Apple has already keep useful, but competitive-to-them, applications off their platform. They've force developers to eliminate user-beneficial changes to their applications. This is not good even…

What competitive software is not available on iOS? Every service that Apple sells has a comietitjr on iOS.

Compilers and IDEs for major programming languages

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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> * Developers are forced to comply with Apple's rules. Otherwise companies could develop shitty apps that use private APIs to work around Apple's restrictions and then force customers to open up their devices to use it. This. Apple consistently chooses to make workaround options complex for the purposes of discouraging this sort of activity. See: * Deprecated APIs are actually obsoleted and removed; your app won't r…

Everything you posted is a benefit to the developer but not the end user.

You have a strange interpretation of that list. Additional privacy in web views, selective privacy controls for app permissions, how exactly are those developer enhancements and not user benefits?

Re: Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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I think we agree... I highly recommend iPhones and iPads to non-technical friends and family members for that exact reason. They are essentially foolproof. But I really don't like the fact that they are fully gated devices. Apple has already keep useful, but competitive-to-them, applications off their platform. They've force developers to eliminate user-beneficial changes to their applications. This is not good even…

What competitive software is not available on iOS? Every service that Apple sells has a comietitjr on iOS.

Emulators for classic arcade games (or emulators of almost any sort).
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