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HN is already blocked. Funny, right?
HN isn't blocked in China
Well it is definitely blocked last time when I was in China, or in Beijing, but that is like 3 years ago.
Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
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Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#92Is this surprising at all?
Seriously. What did she think was going to happen? She's lucky they were nice enough to wait out the rest of her visa instead of revoking it and deporting her on the spot. Shrewd move on their part for that, btw. If she was a citizen they would have just disappeared or killed her.
That's a bit much. It's unlikely that even if she was a citizen they would have disappeared or killed her. More like give her a firm warning and lecture and a vague threat or two of what may be to come if she keeps it up.
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#93Why is this even a news on HN ? All governments including USA denies visa to foreigners for political reasons. I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. It might come as a surprise by American journalists are not entitled for a visa from China and I wish more countries would crackdown on click-bate rags like Buzzfeed.
> I remember USA denying visa to an Indian chief minister in past because of lobbying by evangelists and Islamist. This is whataboutism. You might be suprised to learn that I can and do oppose both. > click-bate rags like Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed's business model is to use the stupid memes and "Which Disney princess are you?" polls to subsidize serious investigative journalism and not have to keep it behind a paywall. You…
Irrelevant. Let us assume Buzzfeed is a paragon of journalistic virtue. Still does not mean the journalist deserves a Chinese visa. It is a privilege and not a right. Pretty much how a US visa is a privilege and not a right.
Americans outraging that their journalist was denied is nothing but very imperialistic attitude.
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never said Disney's partner was Wang. I said that Wang said he was going to chase Disney from China with his own parks. Yum and MCD were forced into partnering locally and giving up total ownership of those businesses. If you're a German company you can freely set up a US version of your business and own it outright. Nintendo doesn't have to give up eg 70% of its stake in Nintendo of America. That's not the case if…
Could you give your source on MCD being forced to spin out their stores? In US 90% of the stores are owned by franchisees, not MCD https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-us/franchising.html Why should China be different? You said "Wang Jianlin had touted that he'd personally chase Disney from China, and that his parks would dominate instead. Disney really had no choice but to acquiesce and partner up." I pointed ou…
The entire comment, like so many others, is just pure nonsense. This is not about understanding the reality it's about validating a narrative and so you get completely made up "facts" like Disney being forced to partner up when nothing of the sort has actually happened.
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. It's a bit bizarre to me why you're calling Buzzfeed a "click-bate [sic]" rag when we're talking about a journalist who had just published an investigative story about the Chinese police state involving Uyghurs.
> Foreign journalists based in China write critical stories about China on a regular basis. So what ? They are not entitled to a Chinese visa.
The argument here is not one of entitlement.
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> future number one market on earth Is there an example of a western brand that has yet gained significant traction in China? My understanding is that unless you are a Chinese company, your chances of competing in this “number one” market are slim. Businesses obsess at the population numbers but ignore the reality.
The trick isn't whether these brands can access China, it's in what manner. Western brands sell very well in China, who gets the proceeds is the issue. The big European luxury goods brands are doing a wild business in China. [1][2][3][4] If you want to make a lot of money on China as a foreigner, you want to be selling a luxury brand product rather than offering a local service (eg fast food chain). That might be an…
@dang why is the parent not banned for using hn for ideological battles?
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seriously. What did she think was going to happen? She's lucky they were nice enough to wait out the rest of her visa instead of revoking it and deporting her on the spot. Shrewd move on their part for that, btw. If she was a citizen they would have just disappeared or killed her.
That's a bit much. It's unlikely that even if she was a citizen they would have disappeared or killed her. More like give her a firm warning and lecture and a vague threat or two of what may be to come if she keeps it up.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/23/asia/china-lawyers-disappeare...
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-r...
https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/22/why-are-people-disappear...
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-deals-with-dissent...
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2014/11/28/chinese-dissidents...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/china-still-gathering-orga...
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trick isn't whether these brands can access China, it's in what manner. Western brands sell very well in China, who gets the proceeds is the issue. The big European luxury goods brands are doing a wild business in China. [1][2][3][4] If you want to make a lot of money on China as a foreigner, you want to be selling a luxury brand product rather than offering a local service (eg fast food chain). That might be an…
@dang why is the parent not banned for using hn for ideological battles?
The criterion is using HN primarily for ideological battles.
https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
#99China is the true enemy of freedom for the 21st century.
Nationalistic flamebait will get you banned here. Please don't post like this again, regardless of what you're for or against.
Re: Buzzfeed journalist denied China visa following coverage of Xinjiang crackdown
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Miss out in the future number one market on earth or stand up for human rights? Certainly a scary future.
> stand up for human rights Can we all just get off our high horse? We literally have concentration camps at our borders and have bombed hundreds of civilians. We don't get to claim the moral high ground.
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