Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
> "communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Describing an oligarchy as a communist dictatorship is near-equivalent. Far from dishonest. > Their economy is obviously capitalist It's capitalist at specific granularities. This is a derail, at best. > They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. So does an oligarchy.
But they're not near-equivalent. Group vs individual. Politics are entirely different. Both deemphasize citizen rights but that doesn't make them the same!
Why are people so offended that this distinction exists?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Their economy is obviously capitalist. Does mandated 50% local (aka party) ownership align with "obviously capitalist"? That seems a stretch (aka crony capitalist). Xi has asked for indefinitely long term of power and gotten it. Handover of power?
The undertone of your post seems to be that you can't possibly have authoritarian capitalism, which of course, is not true...
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#34Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
There probably aren't any. Ever since Pan-Arabism died with Nasser, leaders of Muslim countries are mostly concerned with keeping themselves in power and keeping things stable in their own borders, which means a) downplaying if not actively suppressing supranational ideologies and b) playing nice with countries like China to keep the money flowing. And the only real Pan-Islamic movements are the extremist ones, which…
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree with everything you just said, it seems to be true that in China you can get arrested for basically arbitrary reasons if someone doesn't like you. While it's not one man saying "I am the law", there is still a group saying it, and that group is the bureaucracy.
Sure. But words mean things. Slapping a bunch of incorrect trigger words together terminates thought.
Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight
#36Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
I've found this very strange as well. Best guess is that it hasn't fully reached their populations / news audiences. It's only in the last four to six months that Western media has begun to actively talk about it and pursue the truth of what's going on there. Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good. The Guantanamo Bay detention camp had less than a thousand total detainees over its hi…
One Muslim country at least, Egypt, is doing China's bidding on Uighurs https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/fear-panic-egypt-arre... :
> Egyptian police have detained scores of Chinese students from the Uighur ethnic minority on Beijing's request, forcing dozens into hiding or to flee to Turkey, activists have said.
> These millions of Muslims are not just going to give up their beliefs willingly, so what is China's next step? Vast genocide has to be the concern going forward.
Certainly all the ones they've put in concentration camps are never going to love China after what's happened. If they let them out, their stories will only spread discontent among the rest of the population. So genocide will have been an option under consideration. On the other hand, they must know that descending to Nazi levels of evil is unlikely to improve China's image.
Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight
#37Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
There probably aren't any. Ever since Pan-Arabism died with Nasser, leaders of Muslim countries are mostly concerned with keeping themselves in power and keeping things stable in their own borders, which means a) downplaying if not actively suppressing supranational ideologies and b) playing nice with countries like China to keep the money flowing. And the only real Pan-Islamic movements are the extremist ones, which…
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#38Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
As always, follow the money -- and power (authoritarian governments).
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#40China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.
"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
They are Communists even if they aren't communists.