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#91
I'm going to politely disagree here and say solving panic attacks doesn't take years but instead minutes. I suffered many panic attacks in my mate twenties and early thirties and then learned some simple techniques that solved the panic attacks in one fell swoop. The whole process took less than two minutes. I've since helped a few friends with the same and they have positive experiences in the same way.

If anyone's interested you can look into the work of Dr Bradley Nelson and more specifically his book The Emotion Code. I use a combination of Timeline therapy and emotion release and it does wonders for panic attacks.

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#92
I have always suffered from some level of social anxiety, but never really considered it crippling. Years ago, I brought this up to a doctor who promptly prescribed me a drug of the benzodiazepine class. At first I felt like an idiot. Slightly less anxious I guess, but I became kind of loose of the mouth (like you get when you're drunk), forgot a lot of things, and generally didn't like it. However, I stuck with it and a strange thing happened - as I adjusted to the medicine, my anxiety started getting worse. At this point, not taking the medicine had a rebound effect as well that was pretty terrifying, so I avoided that. All the while I was trapped - I couldn't stop using it or I would have panic attacks, but using it was also seemingly causing an increasing paradoxical reaction. I got to a pretty bad place with this over a few months, and ended up having physical manifestations of my inner anxiety (cramps, pins and needles, sweating, inability to sleep, etc). Eventually the only way out was a lengthy taper off the drug. It was literally 3 months of hell. After finally getting back to baseline, my normal anxiety level returned and it seemed like a walk in the park next to what I was experiencing on the medicine.

The point of my anecdote? Medicine can often compound the problem or even create new problems that weren't there before. Once you're in the midst of this, it can be hard to even recognize the medication as the cause, specially if you're taking multiple medications. I'm not suggesting that anyone stop their medicine without talking to their doctor, but at least consider that the anti-anxiety cocktail you're on may be making things far worse. It happened to me, and some research has revealed that these paradoxical reactions are not at all uncommon.

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#93

I have always suffered from some level of social anxiety, but never really considered it crippling. Years ago, I brought this up to a doctor who promptly prescribed me a drug of the benzodiazepine class. At first I felt like an idiot. Slightly less anxious I guess, but I became kind of loose of the mouth (like you get when you're drunk), forgot a lot of things, and generally didn't like it. However, I stuck with it a…

I had exactly the same experience. Turns out that I am really sensitive to benzodiazepines. I now take 1/2 of a 0.25mg tablet when I know I'm going to do something that will trigger me (maybe twice a year). But a doctor initially prescribed 3mg a day (!) to me. I got physically dependent and had to wean myself off using liquid valium.

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#94

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The start of recovery for me was reading a book by Pema Chodron about not trying to get rid of the intense feelings and experiences like this. With enough experience and meditation and a practice called morning pages, I’ve learned to harness the extreme energies involved and make them a massive positive instead of something to be scared of, holding me back. It took a long time but fully worth the effort. :) Edit: A f…

Any good links to share?

Sure, I just updated my comment.

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#95
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If you have health issues, please don't follow any advice on the internet (Ok, not even mine) and go ask your doctor.

People here know that. But they also know many doctors aren’t able to help much with panic/anxiety, not because they’re ignorant or incompetent but because the causes and effective treatment options vary so much from person to person, and the whole topic is not very well understood by anyone, really. One of the treatment options suggested above (CBT) is a conventional medical approach. The others are often reported t…

Meditation has showed some promising results:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3772979/

Anecdotally it's very helpful to myself.

Deep breathing can be part of CBT too.

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#96

I suppose my own experience differs from the symptoms of a chronic sufferer, but I used to completely dismiss notions of "panic attacks". My thought was "why can't they just take a breather and calm down?" Then one day I smoked too much marijuana and then had to go to a kids birthday party whose family I didn't know. About 10 minutes in I had what I can only describe as a panic attack. My face turned gray . My heart…

If you came fishing for sympathy, keep looking. In the future, if you're doped up, stay the hell off the roads before you kill an innocent third party. I don't much care if you get completely smashed on your own time, but risking others is criminal. And what's with showing up at a kids' birthday party stoned? Incredibly irresponsible and antisocial on so many levels.

In my opening sentence I admitted to disregarding a legitimate mental health issue that I didn't suffer from. In the next few sentences I described getting high before going to a kids birthday party.

Not to come off as snarky, but if you interpreted my comment as looking for sympathy then I suggest you read more carefully.

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#98

I'm going to politely disagree here and say solving panic attacks doesn't take years but instead minutes. I suffered many panic attacks in my mate twenties and early thirties and then learned some simple techniques that solved the panic attacks in one fell swoop. The whole process took less than two minutes. I've since helped a few friends with the same and they have positive experiences in the same way. If anyone's…

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#99

From personal experience, years ago : learning to control your breathing is the key. Your fear of the symptoms can turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you've deeply internalised the assurance that you can defeat the symptoms any time you like by regulated breathing, you might well find like I did that they just stop happening quite naturally. It takes time and practice. Sometimes now when I find myself in s…

This works unless your anxiety is being triggered by the vagus nerve in which case deep breathing only makes it worse. Had one related to an illness recently, the vagus nerve makes you feel like you are having terrible anxiety that is made worse at the apex of every in/out breath. Then when you can't breathe deeply you start having even worse anxiety. This is the problem I am dealing with atm.

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Hmm. To me, it seems not. Or at least, it seems an everyday expertise knowledge, derived from direct experience. He does not seem to be a qualified expert. The goal here is to sell the books.

From the website: > the purchase of the book is totally optional, so please do take the time to look around my site Also, the book is only 13 pounds, so I don't they they are making a lot of money out of it. Perhaps they use the money to keep the website running?

Yes, I read that sentence before writing and your argument about the website expenses can be valid. It does not change my main point: when it is about health one should search for information from qualified professionals. For example:

1. https://www.anxiety.org/panic-disorder-panic-attacks

2. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/panic-attacks...

A personal experience can be illuminating sometimes but it cannot be considered an alternative approach. For this reason, I do not consider it a good source. Just my opinion.

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