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Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

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Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#91

Still waiting for a native MacOS app that doesn't slow my machine down to a crawl and runs the fans whenever I made a video call. $7.1B folks. $7.1 billion.

Which is something that people complain about, but isn't enough of a motivator to get anyone to switch. Skype for Business fits the bill of a lean messaging platform with similar features but it's just terrible. Mattermost is pretty cool but it's self-hosted which makes it a non-starter in shops that don't have IT staff. And all the other competing products are basically just Slack clones with less features.

So Slack is going to continue eating all your resources, because anyone who cares will switch to a leaner Slack client before they switch away from Slack.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#92

This is one of those recent tech success stories that just leave me scratching my head. I simply can't understand the value Slack is bringing and why would anyone pay for an absolutely metoo product. They are either deviously smart or the market is in full bubble mode.

After Facebook and Instagram I pretty much gave up and stopped trying to figure it out. Maybe I’m a dinosaur but I don’t get the appeal of most software products that have come out in the last decade. It seems the formula is simply: 1. Spend investor money faster than your competitors. 2. Don’t worry about the product quality, just make sure it has chat and that the chat is incompatible with the 200 other chat apps o…

Facebook and Instagram make money and have lots of data.

I thought the $100bn valuation for them was low and turns out that was right because they had acquired all this data for free. Data which at the time no one valued (and even today don’t value enough) but was worth a lot.

Slack has lots of data, but if they try to monetize it, I suspect they will lose a lot of their users (the data they have is what people would consider private, while the whole point of the data shared on Facebook/instagram is to make it public). And I suspect their avenues for making money are closing out. O365 users get Teams for free, and it’s only a matter of time before Google includes something equivalent in Google Apps for Work.

I suspect Slack’s best bets for justifying their valuation is hoping Google buys them out or includes Slack in a Apps for Work tier, or if they’re really lucky, Amazon decides they truly want to make a play for the enterprise communications market and buy Slack as the centerpiece for that.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#93

This is one of those recent tech success stories that just leave me scratching my head. I simply can't understand the value Slack is bringing and why would anyone pay for an absolutely metoo product. They are either deviously smart or the market is in full bubble mode.

After Facebook and Instagram I pretty much gave up and stopped trying to figure it out. Maybe I’m a dinosaur but I don’t get the appeal of most software products that have come out in the last decade. It seems the formula is simply: 1. Spend investor money faster than your competitors. 2. Don’t worry about the product quality, just make sure it has chat and that the chat is incompatible with the 200 other chat apps o…

> 2. Don’t worry about the product quality, just make sure it has chat and that the chat is incompatible with the 200 other chat apps out there.

You are fooling yourself here. For all the snarky hate Slack gets around here, it's far better designed than any chat app I've had to use so far. It's for work, it doesn't have to be compatible with other chat apps (in fact, that would be a security issue). Searching through your history Just Works, integrations Just Work, and user-friendly features like reactions make it more fun to use (and prevent cluttering up chats with unnecessary chatter). The fact that Slack was able to destroy its established competitors should give you a hint that they're doing something right. People like using slack. My friends have made their own workspaces with it just to keep in touch, because it's so well designed.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

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What is the good alternative to Slack now? Cheaper / OS / self-hosted etc?

Mattermost.

Came here to say this. Mattermost runs really well on a small-ish box, self-contained, has never gone down, and we've been able to grow organically to hundreds of unique users a day all inside the firewall. Pretty much a no-brainer for me.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It really is a nice product, but it feels like a 'First-To-Market' success story." If I tried to write down all the other corporate-focused chat products that preceded Slack, there would be no way for me to write them all down. To say nothing of the chat products that weren't necessarily corporate focused, but could easily be used in a corporation. They were not first to market; they came into a crowded space, but o…

Integrations serve as a moat. Anything that sends notifications to your chat platform, anything that adds slash-commands which become part of people's daily workflow, all of those become requirements which need to be replicated in a migration. For companies with non-trivial numbers of integrations which do non-trivial things for their users, it becomes more and more expensive to contemplate a replacement. For product…

"Integrations serve as a moat."

The depth of those integrations serve as the depth of the moat. If your integration is basically "I send and receive textual messages", which from what I see the vast majority are, you've got an integration which could be ported to a competitor in less than a week. A lot of the integration work is in the thing being integrated rather than chat-system specific things.

As you use more Slack-specific features the moat gets deeper, but you do have to stretch a bit before you're really "slack-specific". Rich text formatting, conference rooms at a basic level, etc. isn't "slack-specific".

(Be sure to read that first sentence of mine a couple of times before replying. It does not say "integrations are always trivial to port and are thus irrelevant", for instance. If I wanted to say that, I would have.)

"Atlassian throwing in the towel on HipChat and Stride."

I strongly suspect that Atlassian threw in the towel not because it was hopeless, but because a highly profitable company has a business imperative to avoid things that will merely be sorta profitable to them, or where profit will be harder than their other highly profitable activities. It's why Google doesn't simply do everything; put over-simply, for something to be worth Google doing, it has to be more profitable than putting another engineer on AdWords. When a company is valued at $7.1B, it validates the market, and even if there was no competition today, there most assuredly will be in two years!

(I work for a company not quite as high as Google in the "necessary profit per engineer" metric, but we've also divested "merely" profitable businesses because they were basically a drag on the rest of the company, and lacked sufficient strategic value to overcome that disadvantage.)

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look at Slack and think, how hard can it be? Then I look at the graveyard of crappy competitors and think, ok maybe there's something special about Slack.

Same. Critiquing easy, making hard.

This blog post is pushing 10 years old and it's about StackOverflow, but it's still extremely relevant: https://bitquabit.com/post/one-which-i-call-out-hacker-news/

The whole thing is worth reading, but here are a few particularly choice bits:

>"There is a tremendous amount of spit and polish that goes into making a major website highly usable. A developer, asked how hard something will be to clone, simply does not think about the polish, because the polish is incidental to the implementation."

>The next time you see an application you like, think very long and hard about all the user-oriented details that went into making it a pleasure to use, before decrying how you could trivially reimplement the entire damn thing in a weekend. Nine times out of ten, when you think an application was ridiculously easy to implement, you’re completely missing the user side of the story.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#97

Still waiting for a native MacOS app that doesn't slow my machine down to a crawl and runs the fans whenever I made a video call. $7.1B folks. $7.1 billion.

I'm guessing they don't care so much because most of their paying users are captive audience. If your work decides to use slack, it's not like you can't opt-out.

So they focus more on server-side features that ensure they'll be chosen in the first place.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#98
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you been living in a cave for the last decade? This is modern business, whatever is hot and gets a lot of users, gets a ridiculously unrealistically high valuation. Also, you never need to be profitable, as long us ure hot you can just keep doing more rounds of funding.

Sounds an awful lot like a Ponzi scheme to me. From Wikipedia: > A Ponzi scheme is a form of fraud in which a purported businessman lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors using funds obtained from newer investors. Investors may be led to believe that the profits are coming from product sales, or other means, and remain unaware that other investors are the source of apparent profits. A Ponzi scheme is a…

No. Businesses whose success depend on network effects are not automatically Ponzi schemes.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#99

Has anyone considered using Discord instead of Slack? They seem very similar.

Discord has a huge image problem. I won't touch it with a 10ft stick or even mention it in a professional environment. Besides that it's very annoying that it's a complicated mess that has no real focus.

> Discord has a huge image problem. I won't touch it with a 10ft stick or even mention it in a professional environment.

Because it's aimed at gamers?

> Besides that it's very annoying that it's a complicated mess that has no real focus.

It's a chat and VOIP system, seems to do those both very well. Not exactly complicated.

Re: Slack confirms it has raised $427M at a post-money valuation of over $7B

#100

Still waiting for a native MacOS app that doesn't slow my machine down to a crawl and runs the fans whenever I made a video call. $7.1B folks. $7.1 billion.

And honestly, how hard can it be? Put a 5 man team on it and in a few months it'll be done and workable. Few million down the drain but your software is insanely more useable. I guess that doesn't sell the service...

You can think a 5-person team can build highly performant native apps for a number of different platforms in a matter of months?
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