Is Docker having trouble monetizing?
> monetizing
i dont think anyone has every paid for docker. I guess the VC money is starting to run low.
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#342It's in Docker's interest to capture as much value as they can from their products, their calculus is changing. It's their decision to make, however passing it off as in the best interest of users is a bit of a whopper and not the best way to communicate it. I don't think entitlement to other people's work is the best response though.
The outrage is 90% from the fact that they call it "improve the user experience going forward". If they had just said "we need some leads/emails to monetize this thing a little more, hope you understand. Use a throwaway email or the well-hidden direct download if this change makes you uncomfortable", nearly no one would have complained.
> nearly no one would have complained.
except their marketing and sales department (and associated CxO level people who needs to see more revenue!)
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although I've not seen much on K8s + containerd without Docker in terms of tutorials, it is a very new space, and (IIRC) cri-containerd is also pretty new. I'm not aware of many k8s distro's running anything other than Docker by default, at the moment
IBM Cloud has 1.11+containerd in production ( https://twitter.com/estesp/status/1029739247606145025 ), GKS has containerd as an "alpha" option during k8s cluster creation; Azure has stated direction to move to containerd for AKS (and their OSS deploy tool already supports containerd on cluster creation)
Cool, I guess I'm not surprised that IBM Cloud are leading the way there :) are you aware of any on-prem options shipping Containerd as a default so far?
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#344Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…
Wtf are you talking about? I've been running docker in production for 3 years (30+ microservice platform) with litterallly 0 of those problems. Caching works, hence why you need to clean your disk space. And multi stage builds are awesome for many circumstances. It sounds like you don't really understand how to use docker all that well.
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#345 we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#346I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…
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#347Quite hilarious that this guy's motto is "I help high-tech companies cross the chasm by making their products easier to use and learn" http://www.joaofn.com/about/ He is doing quite the opposite
I think we should avoid commenting about the dev's background. It was clearly a company decision and the discussion should be at that level.
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Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.
Is this a viable alternative to Docker? I’m about to launch a fairly large new project and had planned on going with Docker but this definitely causes me concern.
You can try LXC containers by Ubuntu, this is what Docker was based on initially. The main difference is LXC runs an init in the container so you get a standard multi process OS environment while Docker containers are single process environments.
We have been working on Flockport [1] that supports LXC containers and provides orchestration, an app store, service discovery and repeatable builds. It's still in early preview and we have not started proper outreach but it may be worth looking at.
Ubuntu also provides the LXD project that provides some orchestration across servers.
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Or Amazon's "Prime costs more now but it also includes Amazon Video which was so popular we couldn't get anyone to pay for it extra".
I recently noticed that Amazon Prime in the UK has Parks and Recreation AND Seinfeld, which Netflix doesn't have. Worth it!
Amazon Prime seems like it pulled out the checkbook for syndicated series. It's also got a lot of old HBO stuff.
Which makes sense if you've got a pile of money but are trying to bootstrap a streaming service.
I expect most of that will disappear when it comes up for renewal and they've built out their original content (in the same way it did for Netflix).
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#350I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…
Pulling this kind of crap on customers also reflects poorly on us as a professional community. Which other profession steals so much personal data from others through manipulation and trickery?
So all in all it looks like we're all part of a low standars professional community that should be perpetually embarrassed of itself.