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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by justinclift »

imglorp wrote: post #44
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

What's next? Opt-out phone-home, telemetry, crash reporting, quality analytics, whatever you call it. That's my prediction. My Synology personal file server started nagging about enabling telemetry and needing a privacy notice to store my files on my drive on my network. Screw that.

Just as a data point, FreeNAS (freenas.org) is pretty decent if you're ok with building your own storage box. :)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by tapoxi »

oblio wrote: post #272
majewsky wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Try a search for containerd tutorials and compare what you find with docker tutorials. containerd is just a building block. You'll actually be looking for a Kubernetes tutorial, which the internet is sprawling with.

Yeah, but how's the dev experience for Kubernetes, even with all those tutorial? How easy is it to install on Windows, for example?

choco install minikube

choco install kubernetes-cli

minikube start

(You'll need Hyper-V, however.)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by justinclift »

Poiesis wrote: post #186
brightball wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.

The readme used to say that ansible-container was no longer in active development ( https://github.com/ansible/ansible-container/commit/2fa778a7... ), but it appears to not be the case now.

The follow up commit, which removes that:

https://github.com/ansible/ansible-container/commit/e25bd665...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by madmax96 »

I get it. I hate login-walls too.

The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has their own life and own emotions. Treat them with the same respect you would like to be shown when people are unhappy with you.

The comments in that github issue reflect very poorly on us as a professional community to the point that I'm embarrassed.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by folkrav »

mikekchar wrote: post #130
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

IMHO Free software done right: http://onehouronelife.com/ (except the call to action is below the fold :-P) Warning: past the home page, there is some possibly NSFW content. The game defaults to having some cartoon nudity (although there is a non-nudity mod) when the players haven't made clothes, so you might see some pictures of that if you dig around. It's a game. He puts all the code (and assets) in the public dom…

Out of context from the rest of your post, but about this "below the fold" thing... The page is fugly and horrible, but the links are interesting reads.

http://abovethefold.fyi/

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

aneutron wrote: post #335
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #327

I have never installed Docker through any route other than a Linux distribution's package manager. Why would anyone use the download in the first place?

Mac and Windows

Developers who use those deserve what they get.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by justinclift »

ChristianGeek wrote: post #134
brightball wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.

Is this a viable alternative to Docker? I’m about to launch a fairly large new project and had planned on going with Docker but this definitely causes me concern.

As a data point, Docker itself - in Swarm mode - doesn't yet do IPv6 to any decent level natively.

It's seems possible to get IPv6 working through alternative orchestration though. eg Theres a guide on getting it working with Kubernetes and Calico.

But if you're looking for something that's production grade IPv6 - eg people can work out WTF is wrong when problems hit - it's probably not there yet. At least, not for small teams that I can tell. ;)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by stephenr »

cdoxsey wrote: post #117

Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…

> Those cute, cuddly characters

I never really got how a shipping container on a whale makes for a good logo, unless it's just meant to be reflective of the apparent reliability:

> the "whale" your container is riding on may just fucking dive underwater for hours at a time, but hey containers are designed to be in the ocean.. Wait, they're not?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by warewolff »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

I agree a 100%.

It really is annoying to need to be able to login to download the binaries and being dishonest with the user base is not a good approach in order to build great company-customer relations. But all this hate and frustration being channeled on the docker team/this issue is like people just bandwagoning on a issue where somebody addressed a issue in a respectful manner and they see it as an invitation to just shit on people, like "oh they fucked up, lets give em hell until the people responsible for this curse the day they were born". It is a really poor behaviour. I don't believe any of them haters would approach people like this when being confronted with them face to face.

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