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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Linux: https://download.docker.com/linux/static/stable/x86_64/ Win: https://download.docker.com/win/static/stable/x86_64/ Mac: https://download.docker.com/mac/static/stable/x86_64/

The intent is to provide users with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different download links.

For those who don’t understand the reference:

https://gizmodo.com/congratulations-to-ea-games-for-posting-...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Agreed. Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away. They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc. Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download". While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it i…

I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

Well they did have mishaps like the Amazon search previously

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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The game sounded very interesting, until I read a bit in the forums. Some players are really toxic. Twitter is a peaceful, loving place compared to that. No way I will spend my free time in this game.

The game itself is really fun and griefers are much rarer than you might imagine from reading the forums. But yeah.... It's absolutely nuts there sometimes. The developer is a massive free speech advocate and doesn't mind hosting this horrible crap. But what's insane is that he gives moderator ability to some of the worst offenders. So I just don't know what's going on in his head sometimes. There used to be a list o…

Then take a AWS free Virtual Machine and host it :). Just check the traffic regularly (because only 15GB outgoing traffic is free, incoming does not cost anything. You can set a alarm for 1 USD).

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Docker for Desktop (which is what the issue text describes) is not the same thing as rkt so it would not be an apples to apples comparison. You can still install docker with "apt-get" on Linux. https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ Docker for Desktop is the GUI experience that runs the docker engine in a VM on your machine with some port forwarding magic etc. rkt equivalent would be containerd proba…

Honestly docker apt-get previously sucked to the extent I wouldn't bother attempting again.

Adding a repo and running `apt-get update && apt-get install docker-ce` sucks?

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> You’d be surprised by how many companies using Kubernetes gave up using docker a long time ago. What are they using instead? cri-o? rkt?

At Datadog we are using containerd. We've heard of other companies using cri-o. There's also a lot of mixed deployments of container vs native out there. It seems Kubernetes is popular but not many companies with a large number of servers are willing to bet the farm on it, so they may only run a subset of their services with it (stateless, or test environments) You can use Docker, just be ready to account for the ins…

How do Dockerfiles work if you aren't using Docker?

Is there another way to define what the container should look like?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Docker is such a mess. As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work. Caching is terrible pretty muc…

I wouldn't go so far to call it a mess but there is some truth to it. Naively, one might expect the following use cases:

- test-drive even the most complex deployments on your laptop

- spin up all the cool admin tools you ever wanted without wasting months of precious life time

- reproducible setups

- everything is always up to date

But as you say, caching is at best in a mediocre state. If you indeed want to run heavy-weight servers (like ELK), be ready to have a Terabyte space just for images unless you want to GC all the time when tweaking the configuration.

Also the laptop thing doesn't work unless you either have a very beefy machine or just work with very lightweight software. In reality Docker can be used for these use cases:

- Test-driving some heavy weight or complex server software

- CI to some degree

I'm starting to think good old Unix tools in combination with automation tools like Chef, Ansible, ... are the way to go - or even just plain .deb files...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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post #80

It seems like Docker is in a really awkward place as a company. Their strategy was clearly to get everyone on the container hyper train then monetize by selling the production orchestration / runtime. But Kubernetes happened and GCP / AWS have rolled out competition in all the other supporting system needed; container registries, build pipelines, etc. What is the actual pitch for Docker EE now? Their marketing is pus…

Wow, I'd never realized that.

I wonder whether Google greenlighted significant investment into Kubernetes because they saw Docker Inc as a threat to Google Cloud and wanted to kill it early.

It's not precisely the same playbook as Embrace, Extend, Extinguish and it's been played out significantly less evilly (is that a word?) and more openly, but, well, they embraced Docker, extended it with K8s and are now well on the path towards "extinguish".

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