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Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by yalue »

userbinator wrote: post #27

That's what throwaway accounts are for... and this, of course: http://bugmenot.com/view/store.docker.com In any case, "to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward" is yet another example of the official-sounding-yet-bullshit, vague and meandering language that seems to permeate into everything these days. (Is there a specific term for it? "Business-speak" doesn't hav…

Probably the slightly better term here would be "weasel words". (Or better yet, "bullshit")

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by djflutt3rshy »

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jchw »

userbinator wrote: post #27

That's what throwaway accounts are for... and this, of course: http://bugmenot.com/view/store.docker.com In any case, "to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward" is yet another example of the official-sounding-yet-bullshit, vague and meandering language that seems to permeate into everything these days. (Is there a specific term for it? "Business-speak" doesn't hav…

FWIW, as far as I know, Docker for Windows and Docker for Mac really are closed source freeware. My honest opinion is we should move away from it.

As for what to move to... That's definitely an open question. Docker for Windows is definitely one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it. All the same, I still found it buggier and less supported than Docker for Mac. At least on Windows, I wish we could combine the cool LXSS work with a development-only Docker implementation.

Ultimately, Docker should not be synonymous with containers anyway. Future versions of Kubernetes will not use Docker and instead run their own containers on top of libcontainer by default, as I understand it. I also feel rkt has a much nicer design than Docker, doing away with the daemon aspect of it. Hoping to see more development in the future.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by imglorp »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

What's next?

Opt-out phone-home, telemetry, crash reporting, quality analytics, whatever you call it. That's my prediction.

My Synology personal file server started nagging about enabling telemetry and needing a privacy notice to store my files on my drive on my network. Screw that.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by paulie_a »

alpb wrote: post #25
ghayes wrote: post #14

Can anyone post an experience using rkt [0]. I'd love an alternative to using Docker for containers, though I'm not sure how well a community has evolved around rkt. [0] https://github.com/rkt/rkt

Docker for Desktop (which is what the issue text describes) is not the same thing as rkt so it would not be an apples to apples comparison. You can still install docker with "apt-get" on Linux. https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ Docker for Desktop is the GUI experience that runs the docker engine in a VM on your machine with some port forwarding magic etc. rkt equivalent would be containerd proba…

Honestly docker apt-get previously sucked to the extent I wouldn't bother attempting again.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by MBCook »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

No kidding. “Improve the user experience“ is incredibly nebulous and non-obvious. IF there is actually a benefit to this why not just list it?

We all know why. There isn’t a benefit to the end-user.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by zapita »

I understand the rationale for filing this issue, although I personally disagree with it... Docker for Mac is great freeware, and I don’t mind logging into Steam and Mac Store for my other apps, so I don’t have an issue with doing the same with Docker. But for someone who greatly cares about not having to give their email, I can see how it can be annoying to see the policy change after they started using the software...

Either way... Holy shit is that github thread full of negativity and entitlement! Pretty shocking. Even if you’re unhappy with something, that’s no way to treat a team that is giving you a tool for free!

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jcroll »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jeffbr13 »

Docker Hub[1] is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Wording on the pop-up:

> We and our advertising partners use cookies on this site and around the web to improve your website experience and provide you with personalised advertising from this site and other advertisers in AdRoll's network. By clicking "allow" or navigating this site, you accept the placement and use of these cookies for these purposes.

It’s not a modal, but supposedly ignoring it opts you into the tracking, with the only choices being “Allow” or “Learn More” and the [x] button also being labelled “Allow”.

IANAL, but it’s not informed individualised consent if there’s literally no opt-out, and there’s not a lawful basis unless advertising-cookies are suddenly the enabling technology behind downloadable containers.

I’d report them to the Information Commissioner‘s Office myself if I didn’t think they were about to fold anyway, after their piss-poor sunsetting of Docker Cloud and painting a target on their own back for a few adbucks.

[1]: https://hub.docker.com/

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by paulie_a »

mdavidn wrote: post #32
kbumsik wrote: post #29

I wonder how requiring login to download helps a company in general? Docker says "improve experience for users" but is collecting download counts for each accounts important?

Lead generation.

It's always fun to give fake info to those sites that require it for that purpose. I've been using the white house phone number for 15 years.
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