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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by rattray »

dan_quixote wrote: post #110
mbell wrote: post #80

It seems like Docker is in a really awkward place as a company. Their strategy was clearly to get everyone on the container hyper train then monetize by selling the production orchestration / runtime. But Kubernetes happened and GCP / AWS have rolled out competition in all the other supporting system needed; container registries, build pipelines, etc. What is the actual pitch for Docker EE now? Their marketing is pus…

The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).

Interesting, where can we learn more about this? (eg; cri-o, podman, I saw rkt mentioned elsewhere)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by shakna »

edoceo wrote: post #18
ghayes wrote: post #14

Can anyone post an experience using rkt [0]. I'd love an alternative to using Docker for containers, though I'm not sure how well a community has evolved around rkt. [0] https://github.com/rkt/rkt

This comment made/makes me steer away https://github.com/rkt/rkt/issues/3912 There is another open issue claiming the project is dead (but maybe it's just stable) My whole team is onboard with docker, and we don't need account to install/use.

Last commit 19 days ago. Code commits merged into master seem to be around every 3 months for the last couple years.

That seems healthy to me.

As for documentation, it seems to have monthly or bimonthly updates.

The question in your issue is that their is a lack of activity... Came about three weeks after a commit, and two weeks before another.

The issue just seems to be that rkt prefers their mailing list to GitHub issues, though they do pay attention to both. And I don't see a problem with that.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by balladeer »

shoulderfake wrote: post #89
sopooneo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the same way until I worked with lots of types of people. The vast majority seem to much prefer BS, even blatant BS to honesty that is even the least bit blunt. I think part of it is that since everyone exaggerates, actual blunt truths are assumed to also be a positive spin, which would put their reality in the toilet.

Majority of people out there are complete idiots, Im not trying to be rude either. Very few people think for themselves.

I wouldn't call them idiots. They just are not as exposed to the concept of online privacy as a lot of us are.

We might be on the other side of table in many other ways, or idiots as you put it. Like the way my doctor friends avoid some OTC drugs that I never even think twice before taking, or some food, or some ready made edibles. I have a friend in textile industry and when he buys clothes it's a whole new level and makes me wonder what the hell I have been wearing so far. It amazes me how he sees through all those "Giza cotton" tag-lines and gimmick features of breathability and what not that are usually followed by a (™).

Can we all not learn everything from The Internet? No, we can't and it does not make any of us an idiot.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#144

Post by dan_quixote »

rattray wrote: post #141
dan_quixote wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).

Interesting, where can we learn more about this? (eg; cri-o, podman, I saw rkt mentioned elsewhere)

This is a post explaining how the k8s community got to the current state: https://medium.com/cri-o/container-runtimes-clarity-342b6217...

And here’s a little info on why we’re using cri-o at SUSE: https://www.suse.com/c/cri-o-container-runtime-on-suse-caas-...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by bacongobbler »

rattray wrote: post #141
dan_quixote wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).

Interesting, where can we learn more about this? (eg; cri-o, podman, I saw rkt mentioned elsewhere)

hit up SIG-Architecture. https://github.com/kubernetes/community/tree/master/sig-arch...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sjansen »

mevile wrote: post #39

It's in Docker's interest to capture as much value as they can from their products, their calculus is changing. It's their decision to make, however passing it off as in the best interest of users is a bit of a whopper and not the best way to communicate it. I don't think entitlement to other people's work is the best response though.

While some people might be reacting based on simple entitlement, I suspect that for the majority this triggers a strong reaction because it is a warning sign. If Docker were a big company, it'd just be part of the normal drift toward customer abuse. Because Docker is still a relatively small company, it looks like a desperate attempt to stay afloat through increased monetization. The unintended side effect is that it makes me less inclined to purchase anything because I don't want to bet on a sinking ship.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by rattray »

dan_quixote wrote: post #144
rattray wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, where can we learn more about this? (eg; cri-o, podman, I saw rkt mentioned elsewhere)

This is a post explaining how the k8s community got to the current state: https://medium.com/cri-o/container-runtimes-clarity-342b6217... And here’s a little info on why we’re using cri-o at SUSE: https://www.suse.com/c/cri-o-container-runtime-on-suse-caas-...

cool, thanks!

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by bacongobbler »

ulzeraj wrote: post #88
jjeaff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on windows, I recommend `choco install docker.for.windows`

Risking a derail how is chocolatey nowadays? I really liked the idea but stopped using it because most of the packets were way behind the current versions.

Chocolatey is in the same space as the AUR (Arch User Repositories) in my opinion. It can be a hit or miss, but usually a hit. The support is fantastic when there's a bunch of users consuming the project as many users will contribute fixes to the package (e.g. packages for devs like node, cURL, git, etc). On the other hand, less popular packages will occasionally suffer from bitrot, though that all depends on the maintainer and whether or not the package has been configured to update automatically upon new releases.

See also https://chocolatey.org/docs/package-triage-process#package-i...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by notyourwork »

40four wrote: post #12
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Headlines false, I just did this a few days ago.

Are you sure you loggin wasn't saved & you were actually logged in? :) I had to install docker for a new project @ work recently and was forced to create a login & sign in (as I was not previously registered). I guess direct downloads are still possible since people are posting links, but navigating through the Docker website does not present you with those options. Super disappointing

I'm 100% positive I did this last week because I explicitly remember asking my colleague if we need to create an account or not. He said no but it appears the site has changed.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by notyourwork »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #11
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Headlines false, I just did this a few days ago.

> I just did this a few days ago .....or....possibly....this change happened within the past few days?

It appears that it did change in last few days because I had a conversation with a teammate and remember asking about signing up for an account and he showed me how to download without. However, today I cannot find the same navigation path when trying so I think something changed.
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