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Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by taurath »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #35
akarma wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the simpler form of that question is "what's wrong with globalism?", to which there's many answers. One of the foremost would be that an American company should support the livelihoods of the American people, especially as long as other countries like China wouldn't allow an American to work so easily in the reverse situation. It's just a natural tribal instinct, also, to care more for the welfare of your nei…

The main problem with globalism is that capital conspires against labor but labor doesn't respond with a unified front.

Companies and money can cross borders, people cannot (generally).

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by Buldak »

fjsolwmv wrote: post #35
akarma wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the simpler form of that question is "what's wrong with globalism?", to which there's many answers. One of the foremost would be that an American company should support the livelihoods of the American people, especially as long as other countries like China wouldn't allow an American to work so easily in the reverse situation. It's just a natural tribal instinct, also, to care more for the welfare of your nei…

The main problem with globalism is that capital conspires against labor but labor doesn't respond with a unified front.

Why is that a problem principally a problem of globalism rather than capitalism?

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by ganfortran »

Spooky23 wrote: post #20
uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

The real secret is that this is the only thing that keeps tech onshore. No H1? No problem, move the function offshore.

Already happened. My company has sent notice to us that international hired employees are preferentially located to Canada and other sites instead of US, since it is difficult to get a visa here.

People are selfish, so I don't blame them for want to close the door and keep the outsiders outside so they can have a bigger share of the pie.

But don't expect to see that happen either, companies nowadays are much more powerful than individuals and they are very nimble, they will go to places where cost is lower, this won't change a bit, it is in their blood.

So to immigrants coming to US, don't really put much hope in spending decades waiting to get permit to not in living in fear of throwing out. Doesn't worth it. And the resentment towards immigrants is worsening everyday, unless you happen to have certain skin tone. So earn your bucks, and save more, when the time comes take your life and skill elsewhere, life is too short to just wait in vain and hope for the best, act swiftly and you will be happier ;)

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by ct520 »

fooker wrote: post #67
uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

>is actually causing the best jobs to shift more to immigrants and less to Americans Ah, wonders of the free market. ;) Do you honestly think Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook/etc hire foreigners because they have to pay them less? The legal costs of hiring and maintaining them easily adds up to 20-30k $ per year.

My answer for the industry and not cherry pick companies as example.

Yes, without a doubt.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by cc-d »

Cap minimum pay to the equivalent of $150k yearly and watch as the h1b visa program magically starts working as intended.

The solution is not complicated. With the anti-immigrant rhetoric pouring from the current administration, I'm surprised that blatant h1b visa abuse is still rampant.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by 8note »

hart_russell wrote: post #36
gerdesj wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America first or people first?

If the company falls under US jurisdiction, it's incumbent upon policy makers to put Americans first

which Americans are you putting first though, the workers, the customers, or the owners?

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by [deleted] »

fooker wrote: post #67
uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

>is actually causing the best jobs to shift more to immigrants and less to Americans Ah, wonders of the free market. ;) Do you honestly think Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook/etc hire foreigners because they have to pay them less? The legal costs of hiring and maintaining them easily adds up to 20-30k $ per year.

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Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by learc83 »

fooker wrote: post #67
uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

>is actually causing the best jobs to shift more to immigrants and less to Americans Ah, wonders of the free market. ;) Do you honestly think Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook/etc hire foreigners because they have to pay them less? The legal costs of hiring and maintaining them easily adds up to 20-30k $ per year.

It's harder for them to switch jobs, and depending on where they are in the process of applying for a green card, they may have to restart if they do switch.

That kind of "loyalty" is easily worth 20k-30k for a lot of companies.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by briandear »

fooker wrote: post #67
uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

>is actually causing the best jobs to shift more to immigrants and less to Americans Ah, wonders of the free market. ;) Do you honestly think Google/Apple/Microsoft/Facebook/etc hire foreigners because they have to pay them less? The legal costs of hiring and maintaining them easily adds up to 20-30k $ per year.

It’s not a free market when non-resident workers are indentured to a specific employer. Since they can’t easily job-shop, they are necessarily going to make a lower wage than if they had the ability to switch jobs. It isn’t the free market of the free movement of labor is artificially constrained by visa rules. Let’s not confuse this with the free market. It isn’t.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by jeremyjh »

cc-d wrote: post #75

Cap minimum pay to the equivalent of $150k yearly and watch as the h1b visa program magically starts working as intended. The solution is not complicated. With the anti-immigrant rhetoric pouring from the current administration, I'm surprised that blatant h1b visa abuse is still rampant.

There is no need for an artificial cap, just make it a bidding system. The companies bid for how many workers at salary $X. Highest bids are awarded the visas. Problem solved.
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