Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers • Hacker News Board

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by grumpopotamus » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:40 PM UTC

daviddavis wrote: post #4

oh_sigh wrote: post #3

Supposing it is true, why would Cisco prefer work visa holders over US citizens? Lower salaries? Less job mobility(meaning longer average tenure)?

Did you read the article? It’s literally the first sentence.

Please see the Hacker News guidelines!

>Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by gnicholas » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:40 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #3

Supposing it is true, why would Cisco prefer work visa holders over US citizens? Lower salaries? Less job mobility(meaning longer average tenure)?

The ability to pay less, and to not worry about the employee leaving for another employer. Citizens are able to jump between employers in ways that visa holders are not, which gives them more leverage and the ability to bargain for better pay/benefits.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by krob » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:44 PM UTC

I've heard rumors that this is the same at the big O, and for years with the big blue too.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by tawa2989 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:45 PM UTC

Worked at another big Californian semiconductor company for several years. Directors/middle managers, mostly Americans, would always joke about how easy it was to get H1Bs hired and all the shady stuff they did to not have to actually advertise the position. They got great bonuses, life was good.

Eventually, {specific H1B subgroup} made up a significant portion of the company as they always continue to hire more of {specific H1B subgroup} at the expense of everyone else. During a downturn several years ago, there was a tremendous layoff to try to maintain profitability.

Most of the old guard, almost all the older higher paid Americans that didn't make it to the VP level, got axed.

You reap what you sow.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by s73v3r_ » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:45 PM UTC

grumpopotamus wrote: post #11

daviddavis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article? It’s literally the first sentence.

Please see the Hacker News guidelines! >Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."

At the same time, if you clearly didn't read the article, you should expect to be called out on it.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by throwaway28473 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:46 PM UTC

Honest question: if immigrants are willing to do the same job for less money, why do US citizens deserve special treatment and higher wages? Why should companies be forced to not hire in an economically optimal way?

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by abtinf » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:46 PM UTC

uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

> shift more to immigrants and less to Americans.

Those immigrants are a helluva lot more American than you.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by fjsolwmv » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:47 PM UTC

uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

Attracting the most talented immigrants is exactly what this country needs to grow its economy. There are nearly no unemployed top talent, and talent (including immigrants) grows demand. Look how many startups are spawned from the top tech company veterans. Taking in brilliant immmigrants is a defenst against the whole industry shifting the balance of power to a different country.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by jcafe » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:47 PM UTC

Almost ironic that this article is from Bloomberg. Recently interviewed with them for a software engineer role and the only american I talked to out of 6 people, was the recruiter.

Re: Cisco Said to Be Cited for Bias Against U.S. Workers

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Post by Spooky23 » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:47 PM UTC

uissna wrote: post #10

This is an open secret in tech. Visa holders have less job offers to negotiate with, less job mobility, and consequently get paid less. Companies preferentially hire them over Americans. Further, the recent actions making harder for "body shops" like Infosys are actually helping big tech companies win more visa lotteries. This means the recent action that was supposed to help American workers, is actually causing the…

The real secret is that this is the only thing that keeps tech onshore.

No H1? No problem, move the function offshore.