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The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by mikebenfield »

dragonwriter wrote: post #92
alasdair_ wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But in practice, 1/10^9 is the same as zero Sadly, it's not even that - we don't have a popular vote, so not all votes have the same weight :(

> Sadly, it's not even that - we don't have a popular vote, so not all votes have the same weight The vast majority of elective public offices in the US are directly elected by popular vote.

Even when they are, that doesn't mean the people electing them have equal power. The 40,000,000 people of California elect two senators. The 500,000 people of Wyoming also elect two senators. A person in Wyoming literally has 80 times as much influence over the Senate as a person in California.

And even in the House, where at least some effort is made to scale the number of representatives by population, California has only 53 representatives to Wyoming's 1, which still means each Wyoming resident has 1.5 times as much influence over the House as each California resident.

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by mbrumlow »

mrguyorama wrote: post #84
mbrumlow wrote: post #80

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Regardless of why I was interrupted, the TOS is total crap.

As they typically are. Hence why they so rarely actually get tested in a court of law

Even if it won't really hold up in a court of law I feel like the notion is to set some sort of precedence that gives it validity the logger it sits there unchecked. This is the sort of thing that shapes the next generations of judges, lawyers, juries and law makers. Over time sentiment will change and we will be stuck with "well it has always been this way right?".

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by codeisawesome »

sn41 wrote: post #7
xaranke wrote: post #4

As someone who left India for the US, this article gives me pause as to whether things have actually changed in shining New India or if it's just a facade with air conditioning. More specifically, I'd like to move back at some point and I'm not sure if I ever should.

Nothing has changed. The govt. has gotten better at media manipulation, and/or the media has decided it is easier to get into bed with the govt. Reliance Jio Institute has been declared an "institute of eminence" on par with IISc, and above many IITs. The industrialists hailed demonetisation. Ordinary citizens have few opportunities to enter the stock market, since it is inundated with foreign institutional investors…

Please do expand on that last sentence :-) what are the general principles you see?

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by mcny »

legolas2412 wrote: post #99
alasdair_ wrote: post #93

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> OK, then what is your objection to the police taking a sample of the meat to the lab for testing?! >It seems no different than taking any other piece of crime scene or crime-related evidence to me. It has the same vibe as checking the skirt length of a rape victim, or checking into the sexual history of someone beaten up for being gay, just to be sure they really were gay.

Wearing short skirts is not a crime, but slaughtering cows, transporting and selling beef is (in that state). I do not agree with the laws, but the police should dutifully follow the laws.

> I do not agree with the laws, but the police should dutifully follow the laws.

> India has a population of more than 1.3 billion and it is severely under-policed. This leads to several miscreants doing all sorts of bad stuff.

So the police is spread thin and you want them to go after dead people for allegedly eating beef? What kind of mental gymnastics do you do?

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by legolas2412 »

mcny wrote: post #104
legolas2412 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wearing short skirts is not a crime, but slaughtering cows, transporting and selling beef is (in that state). I do not agree with the laws, but the police should dutifully follow the laws.

> I do not agree with the laws, but the police should dutifully follow the laws. > India has a population of more than 1.3 billion and it is severely under-policed. This leads to several miscreants doing all sorts of bad stuff. So the police is spread thin and you want them to go after dead people for allegedly eating beef? What kind of mental gymnastics do you do?

Besides the murder, the police might also be interested in finding the illegal slaughterhouses or beef sellers.

Is following the law mental gymnastics? Should I curse the police for following procedures and investigating crimes, even if I disagree with them?

What if police decided that it was spread too thin, and did not stop me being lynched?

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Post by atlantic »

eevilspock wrote: post #97
atlantic wrote: post #82

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Empires have been doing what empires do since the beginning of recorded history. The West is no exception in this respect.

1. I was responding to test001only putting the blame on Indians. 2. The West claims to be enlightened and progressive. Essentially having a manifest moral destiny. 3. Men have been sexist through most if not all of recorded history, treating women as lessor beings if not property. Does that excuse today's men?

2. No, it doesn't. No such thing as "the West". I live in a European country. We never made any such claim. "Manifest destiny" is specifically American. The expression itself is nonsensical in other languages.

3. No, they haven't. Obviously, male and female roles have been socially differentiated over history, but that derived from biology. The impact of biology has been lessened with industrialization, naturally leading to new opportunities for women.

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Post by hycaria »

philbarr wrote: post #51
hycaria wrote: post #39

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What's this story ?

googling for "india death beef" gives you quite a few similar stories to choose from.

Then I don't understand "I can never forgive the police for taking a sample of the meat to check if it was beef." If it's forbidden in that state, where's the problem with sampling ?

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

eahman02 wrote: post #22
King-Aaron wrote: post #16

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Personally I see it as an existential observation rather than a dismissal. On the whole, the actions of both the voting public in many countries, let alone the politicians that they vote for, do seem to be displaying an increasingly aggressive level of stupidity. Or possibly, if not stupidity, one could more accurately call it apathy.

Think of it the other way: for some people, the public has voted very stupidly for a long time, and now they are starting to get straight.

And yet those people are people whose core beliefs - or at least, the manifestation of those beliefs into policy - are, for the most part, largely objectively wrong.

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by mcny »

hycaria wrote: post #107
philbarr wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

googling for "india death beef" gives you quite a few similar stories to choose from.

Then I don't understand "I can never forgive the police for taking a sample of the meat to check if it was beef." If it's forbidden in that state, where's the problem with sampling ?

Because it is signalling.

Re: The Billionaires and The Guru: How an Indian Family Burned Through $2B

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Post by hycaria »

mcny wrote: post #109
hycaria wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I don't understand "I can never forgive the police for taking a sample of the meat to check if it was beef." If it's forbidden in that state, where's the problem with sampling ?

Because it is signalling.

What does that even mean ? Shouldn't they sort things out ? Is it signalling when police conducts interrogations following someone's accusations then ?
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