'Coerced into tipping'? How apps are changing the culture of tipping in SF

Post by pacaro » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 2:22 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #122

pacaro wrote: post #21

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I think that the history of tipping is more complex than that. My understanding is that at high end restaurants back in the day waitstaff paid the house for tables, and their entire income was from tips. That being said, I’d much rather society move towards the idea that every job pay at least a living wage

Leave “society” out of it. All it would take is for the people you’re attempting to help choose to stop voluntarily accepting to work for less than a living wage. It’s not your or anyone else’s place to tell them that they can’t or shouldn’t be able to do that if they choose.

Post by bradstewart » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #158

carlmr wrote: post #99

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I'd say, yes. The honest price you're paying is price + tip. If the default tip is such a large percentage the pricing is dishonest.

I'd say, yes. On the other hand if tipping is paying for service, why do you 'deserve' a bigger tip just because I ordered the more expensive thing? If the 'fair' price for you talking to me about wine for 2 minutes and then bringing me the the bottle I want is $15 then surly you deserve $15 no matter if I select the $50 or $500 bottle.

Post by halfmatthalfcat » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 3:44 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #159

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #155

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My girlfriend, whose worked in the service industry for the last 5 years, would vehemently disagree with you. If she doesn't get at least 20%, it's more or less an offensive amount _because_ they get paid so little because of this law. That's baseline. Before I met her, I assumed 10% was a perfectly acceptable tip but I had never really had any friends who worked in the service industry or worked there myself, so I h…

OK...but that's not an obvious thing to those of us on the outside. Particularly for those of us who grew up in a world where 15% was considered a good tip, and then start vaguely hearing from random sources that maybe it's supposed to be 18% now? When did that happen, and why? There is no way for people not in that position to know what will be an "offensive" amount. I get that it's not a simple thing to "just find…

Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:09 PM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #73

duxup wrote: post #13

Lots of fast casual places now have a tip on their screens. I always choose 0. I mean seriously the only interaction I'm having lasted 30 seconds, I'll never see this person again / they won't do anything more for me, no tip needed... I hate tipping as it is (granted I do tip in non fast casual food situations). I'd rather just the cost be up front.

So I'm making an assumption here but... how many orders of magnitude separate your pay and that of the people making your food? Also: how much spit do you estimate you've consumed when eating at places where you're a regular who is known to never tip?

Post by eivindga » Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

lostctown wrote: post #160

cameronh90 wrote: post #132

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While I fully support taxing the crap out of cars, Singapore and the USA are hardly comparable. It's the third most densely populated country on earth, and you can walk the circumference of the entire island in about a day. Not even factoring in the comprehensive public transit..

This can't be stressed enough. Large swaths of the US population would immediately become immobile. I think OP has never lived and worked in a rural area, say 30 miles outside of the nearest town, where survival depends on your ability to transport yourself.