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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by tpxl »

dan15 wrote: post #199
swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #105

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Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

> Also, programming environment is just so much nicer IMO on mac. Really? I had a Mac for a few years, but I found that I didn't like the environment as much as either Windows or Linux. A lot of programming environments work best on a Linux-like environment and don't do so well on something BSD-like (such as MacOS). There's a lot of open source software that only works on Windows and Linux, too... MacOS has such a sm…

I work on Mac OS X and my experience is quite good. Homebrew + IntelliJ and I can get my Java development going guite easily (plus redis, mongodb, tomcat, zookeepper...

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by willtim »

coldtea wrote: post #275
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I had the 2013 version, and then got the 2017 one. I don't have a use for the touch strip (in fact it gets in the way, as it can get accidentally touched), hate how easily the keyboard can gather detritus and get stuck, and dislike the bigger trackpad. On the other hand, I dig the enhanced display (brightness, color), better speakers, and am excited about the powerful i9/32GB/2TB options in this years model. Not sure…

> Linux of all varieties still sucks on laptops

Sweeping statements like that are not helpful. The argument is far more nuanced. My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked".

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by coldtea »

willtim wrote: post #282
coldtea wrote: post #275

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I had the 2013 version, and then got the 2017 one. I don't have a use for the touch strip (in fact it gets in the way, as it can get accidentally touched), hate how easily the keyboard can gather detritus and get stuck, and dislike the bigger trackpad. On the other hand, I dig the enhanced display (brightness, color), better speakers, and am excited about the powerful i9/32GB/2TB options in this years model. Not sure…

> Linux of all varieties still sucks on laptops Sweeping statements like that are not helpful. The argument is far more nuanced. My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked".

>My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked".

That's because some Mac laptops do those things and others don't (it's a combo of OS version, graphics card, chipset, model, and so on).

Whereas the problems I'm talking about regarding Linux are integral to the OS and ecosystem (and occur for everybody, regardless of setup).

Now, some of those problems might be non-issues for others since they never do X or Y things with their Linux laptops. But for me, that need to do X and Y those are problems. X and Y being for example heavy professional video and music editing.

But there are also lotsa things that are genuine problems in desktop Linux use, regardless of use cases. Having problem with a laptop sleep or getting the 3D acceleration / compositor to play properly etc, for example is not just some rare case on the wrong production run / OS combo, but a constant across distros and laptop brands, and usually the solution is to just carefully research and get a support combo (or just be lucky).

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by lloeki »

jpangs88 wrote: post #280
lloeki wrote: post #220

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Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS. Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)

The T2 chip also controls the secure boot functionality, I don't think that Apple would skip adding it in just because it doesn't have the touch bar. Here is a link from Apple that says all of their Macbook Pro models have T2 chips from 2018 onward. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 But I still may be wrong though where did you read that the MBP without a touch bar doesn't have a T2 chip?

The FN ones haven't been refreshed, therefore they're MacBookPro14,1 (mid 2017). I can't find a link right now for a source but it was mentioned in various sources from teardowns to discussions about provisioned setups and Linux installs.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by willtim »

coldtea wrote: post #283
willtim wrote: post #282

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> Linux of all varieties still sucks on laptops Sweeping statements like that are not helpful. The argument is far more nuanced. My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked".

> My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked". That's because some Mac laptops do those things and others don't (it's a combo of OS version, graphics card, chipset, model, and so on). Whereas the problems I'm talking about regarding Linux are integral to the OS and ec…

> That's because some Mac laptops do those things and others don't (it's a combo of OS version, graphics card, chipset, model, and so on).

The same is true for Linux, which was my point.

> Having problem with a laptop sleep or getting the 3D acceleration / compositor to play properly etc,

I have absolutely no problems with sleep or 3D acceleration (e.g. Steam works fine), my hardware is very well known (ThinkPad). So I don't agree that these are examples of constant issues.

> Heavy professional video and music editing.

Granted Linux is weak here. But is a MacBookPro really that strong? I would use a Windows 10 ThinkPad P-series Xeon, 64GB RAM and a 4K display.

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Post by nbsd4life »

viraptor wrote: post #39
whytaka wrote: post #13

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Time and time again, I cannot believe people recommend a company that installed spyware in their hardware. I will never ever buy a Lenovo. It doesn't matter that it didn't affect the ThinkPad line.

Almost every larger company these days has done something bad like that. Lenovo had superfish, HP had a keylogger, Dell had its own superfish, Acer still installs search toolbars and browser hijackers, depending on how far back you want to go Sony had the BMG rootkit and a camera backdoor, ... Who are you going to get your laptop from now of you ignore all of those - especially if you're going to reinstall your OS im…

HP's "keylogger" doesn't belong in this discussion. It was a debug trace to a driver. I've left similar traces as part of debugging. It wasn't even their driver but belonged to Synaptics.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by beenBoutIT »

ksec wrote: post #265
prolikewh0a wrote: post #257

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Remember this? https://techcrunch.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-antenna-issue/

Oh hell yes. They made a mistake, try to fix it, and the problem was gone in the next iteration. We have been suffering from the same MacBook Pro keyboard issues for 3 years, and the latest 2018 just released still has that keyboard problem. And to add insult to injury T2 now causes panic every now and then.

History will ultimately remember Apple as two distinct entities; Apple With Jobs and Apple After Jobs.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by paulie_a »

prolikewh0a wrote: post #259
ashishb wrote: post #189

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> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. What will it be? To be fair, I am not a fan of Macs but I haven't seen any good GNU/Linux laptops which have proper Wi-Fi, sleep, and battery usage out of the box. Do you have any recommendations?

XPS 13 works fully out of the box with Linux as Dell has all of the drivers ported because they sell the XPS 13 developer edition with Ubuntu. Best laptop I've ever owned. Starting to roll them out at work too as Linux machines replacing new Macbook Pro's.

I agree the XPS 13 is far superior to any MBP I've attempted to use. I've previously hated clickpads on every device, including the crappy Mac one. The XPS is awesome in that regard.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by radley »

bluecat22 wrote: post #125
radley wrote: post #120

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I'm running a mid 2012 i7 MBP (bought at release) w/ 16GB & a 2TB SSD (recently upgraded from a 1TB SSD). I also have a keyboard overlay as a precaution, since I've had to replace keyboards on previous Macs due to spills or sloppy cleaning. My 2012 is decent, but 2013 - 1015 MBPs are the best.

I think the issue will be that either your Mac will be unsupported for OSX Mojave or at most in an year or so while your machine physically will still be in good working condition.

Considering the lackluster updates of OSX / MacOS, and the fact that the platform matured years ago, I'm not really concerned that I won't be able to use Mojave.

I think the only issue will be if I need to use XCode, which tends to be bound to the latest OS.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by radley »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #287
ksec wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh hell yes. They made a mistake, try to fix it, and the problem was gone in the next iteration. We have been suffering from the same MacBook Pro keyboard issues for 3 years, and the latest 2018 just released still has that keyboard problem. And to add insult to injury T2 now causes panic every now and then.

History will ultimately remember Apple as two distinct entities; Apple With Jobs and Apple After Jobs.

Four really: Apple with Jobs (76-85), Apple without (85-97), Apple with (97-11), and Apple after.

Each period was very unique.

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