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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

> “Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores?

At least Lenovo offers that in some of their models, you may be charged extra, though, if you want onsite warranty, may depend on market. This summer my space bar started to misbehave, created a ticket on Lenovo site, next day a guy arrived to my home and spend about half an hour to disassemble my laptop and replace the keyboard.

No, I am not envious on your repair experience.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

Also the loss of the function keys (brightness, volume, etc.) makes the touchbar one slower and less pleasant to interact with. I don't want to have to press a button just to be able to SHOW the play\pause button, I want it to always be in the same place and just press it.

You can set it to work that way in the settings. But I agree; I miss the physical keys.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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You can install Linux on Macs.

I asked "why doesn't apple allow or support it", not "why can't it be done?"

What do you mean by "allow"? If the boot isn't restricted to signed OS X and Windows, you are "allowed". I've installed it easily on several older (2007-2010) Macs.

The reason they don't support it is likely because there's not the demand among their customer base, as most people who want a GNU/Linux OS on a laptop go for Thinkpad or Dell due to better compatibility and other reasons.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

The top comment in practically every macbook related HN post is about how top quality the 2015 Macbook pro was and how its successors failed.

Although I'm actually typing this on that very model.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Holding off buying a new MacBook Pro at the moment. It’s like issues pop up every other week and I simply cannot buy a machine that is not reliable. Also looking into a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ CentOS as an alternative, even though it would be difficult. It’s a pity.

Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

Well that's not the only downside. You're also nearly $2000 for a laptop with a CPU that is significantly slower than what you'll get in either a new MBP or most Windows alternatives.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Why is the T2 panic any worse than a normal panic? It's a bug, they happen. And before someone says that they're only needed for the Touch Bar, a) they chose to buy the Touch Bar version, and b) T2 and future chips will handle much more.

> a) they chose to buy the Touch Bar version

Only problem with this is that if you want the most powerful Mac laptop, the touchbar version is your only choice!

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Linux these days is incredibly stable. As long as you have a laptop that has reasonably high quality (read: open) drivers. Intel graphics, Wi-Fi and a decent SSD/HDD from a known brand is usually enough to have a trouble free personal compute platform. I have a precision 5520 and haven’t had a single Linux/hardware related issue, before that I had a Thinkpad x201s, and an x201 before that- and further back still I ha…

I use Linux exclusively across all of my computers. The biggest problem is touch support - you can get drivers working fine, but the ecosystem is terrible. Open Source applications are an entire generation behind on basic gesture support. The best drawing apps on Linux don't even support pinch-to-zoom. This is a solvable problem that I expect to improve, albeit probably not any time soon, and I'm still incredibly fru…

I run Arch on an X1 Yoga (2nd Gen) Krita has good touchscreen and stylus support.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Problem is not that T2 chips are causing kernel panic - that stuff happens. Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place - another chip with its own OS running and handling the touch bar crap nobody cares about and many are annoyed by. Apple has gotten into NIH+Something fancy just to jack up the hype and prices too deep. I might be mistaken - but tell me if I am - how is…

While I’m also not interested in the touch bar, the T2 also handles other security functions like disk encryption and certifying your boot. So you’d still have the T2 even without the bar.

Yep. As evidenced by the iMac Pro also having a T2 despite not having a touch bar. (It also has the kernel panics that are a feature of the T2.)

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I think the issue will be that either your Mac will be unsupported for OSX Mojave or at most in an year or so while your machine physically will still be in good working condition.

> I think the issue will be that either your Mac will be unsupported What precedent do you have for believing that to be true? The only time Apple has done that in the past is major platform changes (aka PowerPC and later 32bit CoreDuos). Unless Apple shifts to ARM (which is easily a couple years out at best) or Intel comes out with a 128bit processor (which isn’t even remotely on the roadmap), I’d say you are safe f…

Even if it can technically run it, speed can be a real issue trying to run modern MacOS versions on older hardware.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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You should take into consideration that for both IdeaPad (the superfish one) and ThinkPad Lenovo is not much more than brand. These two lines are designed and manufactured by completely separate corporations. What is somewhat funny in this regard is that the real maker of modern ThinkPads (probably at least since introduction of the letter-number nomenclature) is Acer/Wistron with Acer as a brand being mostly known f…

I was completely unaware that Acer made ThinkPads, and that blows my mind. A quick google was not able to confirm that, which is not unexpected since that sort of rebranding is usually hushed. Do you have a source? Not saying you need one, but wondering if you already have one. Would be interested to read more. I've had a really bad opinion of Acers since buying one a decade ago, and currently have a high opinion of…

I found it, but it's really obscure. Check this out:

1) You can find a couple of threads where people either say Wistron makes Lenovo Thinkpads, and even one where someone finds the Wistron name on a X1 Carbon box they were shipped: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/x1-carbon-shipping-t...

2) Wistron is a spinoff of Acer. Specifically the Manufacturing/R&D wing of Acer. However, that spinoff happened in 2000, so there really isn't a connection between Acer and Wistron anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wistron

This is a nice 2009 article about Wistron: https://www.forbes.com/global/2009/1214/technology-wistron-s...

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