I've had several impossible burgers and they completely live up to the hype. They taste very good indeed. But I have noticed a slight uptick in anxiety after eating them, maybe 30 mins after or so. This anxiety comes out of the blue, the first few burgers I had, I had zero health or safety thoughts in my mind that might have precipitated the anxiety. Interested if anyone else has had a similar experience.
The problem with trying to replace meat. Is the unknowns about why we survived as carnivores for thousands upon thousands of years and our current obsession to suddenly play god with a food supply. We don’t know what we don’t know. And impossible doesn’t know why there would be side effects. Or they do and you’ll not know. Buy grass fed organic meat and eat less of it. We already eat too much.
Impossible Burgers’ key, bloody ingredient gets long awaited nod from FDA
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#62Impossible burger’s patty is on par with a McDonald’s quarter pounder. Which is a reasonable accomplishment. It’s acceptable and enjoyable as a cheap burger. But it is not gonna fool anyone who really enjoys a good burger.
Which would be fine if people would stop overhyping it.
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#63I've had several impossible burgers and they completely live up to the hype. They taste very good indeed. But I have noticed a slight uptick in anxiety after eating them, maybe 30 mins after or so. This anxiety comes out of the blue, the first few burgers I had, I had zero health or safety thoughts in my mind that might have precipitated the anxiety. Interested if anyone else has had a similar experience.
I always get this wheezy feeling like a little bit of fluid is building up in my lungs after I eat the impossible burger. I don't know what causes it; the only thing I can think of is maybe the unusually high iron content (at least compared to anything else in a plant-based diet).
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#64I wouldn’t trust anything the FDA approves after watching the Netflix series on how it is simply a big Pharma publishing house now. It’s so reliant on company money that it can’t do its duty to protect the people it is supposed to protect.
That doesn't make any sense as a reason to distrust at all. They /have/ to go to the FDA to get it approved if they plan on being legitimate medicine. That would be like saying that you can't trust drug testing labs to report honestly because they depend on the patients for blood and urine samples.
The problem isn’t the FDA it’s the government cutting its budget. In such an obvious way that they want business to be able to do what they want. It’s gotten worse under Trump.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't tell if you're joking or not. Smoking used to be considered healthy, leeches were healthy, letting blood was how you got over sickness, drinking a mercury-based concoction was once thought to be an elixir of immortality. Maybe coffee is good, maybe it's bad. Maybe wine is good, maybe it's bad. How often are diets shown to not do the things they are supposed to? Humans are wrong about nutrition (and health) a…
Are you seriously comparing smoking and bloodletting to a veggie burger? What sort of insanity is this Maybe HN has jumped ship and I need to simply move on.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's true, but when you are talking about meat, it's usually safe to assume 'bleed' means to 'bleed blood'.
When people refer to a “bloody steak”, they aren’t implying the red liquid is actually blood.
Is menstrual blood actually blood? That's not a question with a definitive answer; it is obviously different from the normal kind of blood you'd find in blood vessels, but it's also fundamentally similar. "Blood" is not an elemental or even homogeneous substance, so it can be hard to say that something isn't blood.
But most people who refer to something as "blood" have never given it a minute's thought. If you cut meat and get a thick red liquid, of course that's blood. Where else would blood come from?
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#67I've had several impossible burgers and they completely live up to the hype. They taste very good indeed. But I have noticed a slight uptick in anxiety after eating them, maybe 30 mins after or so. This anxiety comes out of the blue, the first few burgers I had, I had zero health or safety thoughts in my mind that might have precipitated the anxiety. Interested if anyone else has had a similar experience.
The problem with trying to replace meat. Is the unknowns about why we survived as carnivores for thousands upon thousands of years and our current obsession to suddenly play god with a food supply. We don’t know what we don’t know. And impossible doesn’t know why there would be side effects. Or they do and you’ll not know. Buy grass fed organic meat and eat less of it. We already eat too much.
We've been playing god with our food supply since forever (salting meats to preserve them [salt is bad for you! right?], agriculture, the list goes on...)
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#68I don't get the point of having a veggie burger bleed. I tried an Impossible Burger a while ago and didn't find it that great. It doesn't taste like real meat and is just an average veggie burger. I think it's more of a gimmick.
The goal isn't just to have a "veggie burger bleed", it's to replicate the experience of eating meat. Perhaps they have failed so far (according to your taste test), but the goal is valid. If someone can find a way to make a product near-indistinguishable from meat without raising and killing animals, it would be a massive victory for the environment (meat production is CO2-intensive), for the cause of bringing decen…
I'm all for reducing animal suffering (especially from CAFOs) but replacing meat with plants isn't necessarily a victory for the environment.
Widespread factory farming agriculture has destroyed entire ecosystems. Ever flown over the midwest? You see miles and miles of plots of the same crops repeated over and over... monocultures with very little of the original grassland remaining. Agriculture has accomplished the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems.
"70% of all water from rivers and underground reserves is being spread onto ... irrigated land that grows one-third of the world’s food", according to _When the Rivers Run Dry: Water--The Defining Crisis of the Twenty-first Century_ by Fred Pearce. In some regions up to 90% of the water from the environment is used for irrigation.
The green revolution as we know it is only possible due to fossil fuels, the Haber-Bosch process breaking down oil to create nitrogen fertilizer. With industrial farming, all in all an acre of corn requires about fifty gallons of oil according to _The Omnivores Dilemma_ by Michael Pollan. How much fossil fuel does a typical acre of wheat or soy consume? How sustainable is it compared to pastured meat, which thrives on the renewable resource of grassland?
Bringing decent food to poor people is also a noble goal, but is fraught with a moral hazard. Many developed nations have agricultural subsidies, including the US at $1.173 billion for wheat and $610 million for soybeans as of the 2004 USDA report. The billions of dollars in subsidies causes an oversupply, and the developed nations are all too willing to dump onto other countries, putting local farmers out of business and advancing an imperialist dependency. Lierre Keith, vegan for 20 years (now ex-vegan), in her book _The Vegetarian Myth_ says it best:
> Why should people in Cambodia be dependent on the US for their basic sustenance? It condemns them to participating in a market economy where they will have to dedicate their labor and local resources to produce raw materials, like timber and metal ore, or cheap consumer goods like sneakers or computer chips, for rich nations. With the pennies they get in return, they will then have to buy food from the same rich nations or their progeny, the grain cartels. This is a destructive, inhumane, and oppressive arrangement. I have to believe that the political vegetarians haven’t thought it through.
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#69There are excellent vegetarian culinary traditions in the world. India stands out as a country with amazing regional vegetarian cuisines that celebrate their ingredients and don't pretend to be something they are not. In the United States, vegetarians eat fake meat.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
English is not my first language, so I always assumed blood and bleeding refer to any red liquid. I mean, we talk about blood oranges [0] and bleeding trees [1] and no one assumes there is any real blood involved. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_orange [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corymbia_opaca
That's true, but when you are talking about meat, it's usually safe to assume 'bleed' means to 'bleed blood'.