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Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by bloomthrowaway »

themodelplumber wrote: post #142
bloomthrowaway wrote: post #23

Just throwing this out there. I've had hundreds of lucid dreams and it's the most amazing experiences I've have in my life. It takes practice to 1) figure out you're dreaming with some level of reliability 2) learn to take control 3) train yourself not to get too excited so you don't wake yourself almost immediately. I believe the first step is to train yourself to recognize a dream. It becomes easier once you've don…

That sounds awesome! Thank you for sharing the experience, I really want to try that myself. Asking because it's related to my field of interest--do you mind sharing your IPIP-NEO result? http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo120.htm

sure why not https://postimg.cc/gallery/1r7sd2iwo/

hit zoom button to undo the horrible default zoom

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by flatline »

eof wrote: post #116
travbrack wrote: post #109

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I used to read lucid dreaming forums. A lot of people complain that their sleep becomes less restful, the more they lucid dream. Also that it becomes impossible to have a night without lucid dreams once you get enough experience, so you can't catch a break.

I experienced this for years, but it never seemed to actually affect "rest". I'd have multiple intense dreams per night, waking up often between them. But not feeling sleep deprived at all, if anything the opposite. However i was also in my early 20s so maybe it would be harder now.

I used to lucid dream all the time as a kid, it just happened naturally, and never left me tired. It mostly stopped and in my 20s I tried some exercises to induce lucid dreams. My experience was like a restless night of sleep after studying late for a big test the next morning. Because, there was something I was supposed to be remembering, instead of just sleeping soundly.

So I think lucid dreaming is not necessarily a problem in itself but forcefully training yourself to do it can be rough going.

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Post by ptrincr »

vokep wrote: post #134
apo wrote: post #102

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Having done this deliberately in the past and had some fairly wacky side-effects Such as?

False memories are one which many have experienced, as well as mentioned above, increased chance of sleep paralysis. Increased SP doesn't seem so bad, just maybe inconvenient. Building up more and more false memories doesn't seem like a great idea.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Can I ask how you found your sleep paralysis encounters? (for want of a better word).

Personally I've found them deeply disturbing. Throughout my life I have experienced moments of sleep paralysis at most on 10 occasions. They've left a big impact though, and I sympathize with anyone who has the misfortune of feeling as though you are trapped and unable to move.

After watching the film "Waking life" I spent a long time thinking about lucid dreaming and perhaps maybe had 1 or 2 myself. I had never connected the two however, definitely food for thought.

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by ptrincr »

scrollaway wrote: post #107
knicholes wrote: post #95

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Coming from a religious background, I believed that I was being possessed to explain the lack of control over my body. I even hallucinated an "evil" "form" coming towards me before my body locked up and I felt tingles. So ~weird~ terrifying being able to scream without your body doing anything.

Sleep paralysis is mortifying if you don't know what you're dealing with. I can completely understand how that's been the source of many people believing in possessions over the centuries. Most of my paralysis episodes didn't involve the "evil presence" people often talk about. That is, until a recent one less than a year ago, where I woke up with a giant "invisible" spider on my chest It's terrifying to be in this s…

I've had sleep paralysis but never had the feeling of the presence. I just know I'm stuck. As if some kind of force has frozen my whole body. The first few occasions it is extremely scary, I think after that you know what is happening but it is still very disconcerting.

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by GoodOldNe »

This is an interesting study but I have several methodologic concerns and feel like nobody is discussing conflict of interest here. This is done at an institute owned and managed by one researcher, recruited from attendees of a seminar on lucid dreaming, approved by the ethics committee of that institute, and using a gold standard self-report rating scale that the primary author also invented. I am very curious about what they used for their active placebo. I suppose research on dreaming and the interaction of drugs with dreaming is pretty interesting and sparse, so I'll take what I can get but it would be cool to see this replicated in a more generalizable way before anyone starts trying this at home.

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by Eliezer »

monktastic1 wrote: post #83
Eliezer wrote: post #74

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Who did the people who wrote that up think they were talking to?

I wish I could do this justice in one post. The whole thing is like a snake swallowing its own tail. If what "they" are saying is correct, then this is "my" dream. The Buddha is a character I dreamed up to remind me how to wake up. Why isn't this solipsism? First, because it's not my personal dream (the person being a character himself). Second, for a similar reason as MWI is not solipsism. This branch really is my o…

Okay, but if you thought it was all your dream, why would you write up that belief in a presumed attempt to communicate the same idea to another figment of your imagination?

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by themodelplumber »

bloomthrowaway wrote: post #151
themodelplumber wrote: post #142

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That sounds awesome! Thank you for sharing the experience, I really want to try that myself. Asking because it's related to my field of interest--do you mind sharing your IPIP-NEO result? http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo120.htm

sure why not https://postimg.cc/gallery/1r7sd2iwo/ hit zoom button to undo the horrible default zoom

Thanks! I like to ask people with those kind of Adventurous and Immoderate results--did you ever try Ayahuasca? Other psychonaut-type experiments? Forms of yoga? What seems interesting next?

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by zamalek »

deskamess wrote: post #84
bloomthrowaway wrote: post #23

Just throwing this out there. I've had hundreds of lucid dreams and it's the most amazing experiences I've have in my life. It takes practice to 1) figure out you're dreaming with some level of reliability 2) learn to take control 3) train yourself not to get too excited so you don't wake yourself almost immediately. I believe the first step is to train yourself to recognize a dream. It becomes easier once you've don…

More of a pre-lucid dream question... can you dictate the content/topic of your dreams? That would be some powerful stuff - virtual reality of another kind.

I've had quasi-lucid dreams. I have free will in them (and certain "learned processes" such as flying), but I am not aware that it is a dream until I wake up. So far as those go, I can "physically" escape settings that I don't like but I can't decide what settings I end up in. I'm generally stuck with the people the dream starts with and they always have their own free will.

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by monktastic1 »

Eliezer wrote: post #156
monktastic1 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could do this justice in one post. The whole thing is like a snake swallowing its own tail. If what "they" are saying is correct, then this is "my" dream. The Buddha is a character I dreamed up to remind me how to wake up. Why isn't this solipsism? First, because it's not my personal dream (the person being a character himself). Second, for a similar reason as MWI is not solipsism. This branch really is my o…

Okay, but if you thought it was all your dream, why would you write up that belief in a presumed attempt to communicate the same idea to another figment of your imagination?

In a dream, it's possible to gain and lose lucidity repeatedly, and in varying degrees. In the "breaks," one concocts all kinds of nonsensical strategies to regain it. I suppose one of mine is arguing with others about the nature of consciousness and its relationship to QM. In the best case, other people catch on and contribute missing pieces of the puzzle, which alleviates remaining doubts that were dissuading me from pursuing it in earnest.

Re: Pre-sleep treatment with galantamine stimulates lucid dreaming

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Post by lpasselin »

If anyone wants to try Finger Induced Lucid Dreaming, I made this a long time ago: https://asselin.engineer/FILD_Mouse

It simply plays a song when you aren't pressing left mouse button. I go to sleep with a mouse taped to my hand and try to keep pressing he button. After around 5-15 minutes the song starts playing on my laptop speakers. For some reason, even if the music is plays, I lucid dream.

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