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Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Pity that we've structured our world such that one tweet can so damage such clever companies as Tesla and maybe SpaceX.

I'm pretty sure it's always been the case that those with power can cause a lot of damage with a small amount of effort.

Yes, but those in power were able to get away with it in the past. Now they're held accountable, in public, like a public crucifixion. Pressure of 21st century is enormous.

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Do your friend's prescriptions really come up in conversation that often? I have no idea what prescriptions my friends may or may not have with the exception of one or two really close friends.

No, but it's fairly common for people on Ambien to have stories about crazy things their SO found them doing in the middle of the night. These stories often pop up in conversation similar to how drunk stories do. There's even an entire subreddit dedicated to the topic [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ambien/

Is that solely on Ambien or in combination with other drugs?

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.” I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies. And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the…

I want to live in a universe where you at least apologise for calling someone a pedo, or yes, you get kicked out.

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> What about all those recent self-driving crashes? What about Apollo 1? There is a difference between a civilian and military death. But they are both pursuing progress. One can’t discount the costs without any concept of the potential benefits.

The Apollo 1 astronauts were willing participants and very clearly knew the risks. With poorly-designed self-driving cars, everyone is an unwilling participant.

Has a Tesla ever killed a non-driver/passenger (like Uber has)?

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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> What about all those recent self-driving crashes? What about Apollo 1? There is a difference between a civilian and military death. But they are both pursuing progress. One can’t discount the costs without any concept of the potential benefits.

I wouldn't include the self-driving tech among the world-changing progress. Climate change is a pressing disaster for our whole species; self-driving cars are not urgent enough to be pursued with the same intensity, and are dangerous enough to deserve more rigour.

3.5 million new cars are registered every year in Germany alone. If we can replace a significant amount of that with cheap, shared, swlf-driving electrics it'll be a massive step towards carbon neutrality.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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"Then he got in a Tesla Model S and drove himself to the airport. En route, Mr. Musk typed his fateful message." Don't text while driving. This going private thing is a strange idea. Sell Tesla to the Saudi sovereign wealth fund? The one dedicated to keeping oil a viable industry? Does he want Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud as a boss? That makes no sense. Softbank might make sense. Part of Musk's problem seems to be "O…

>This going private thing is a strange idea. Sell Tesla to the Saudi sovereign wealth fund? The one dedicated to keeping oil a viable industry? Does he want Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud as a boss? That makes no sense. Softbank might make sense.

I had the same thought.

>Part of Musk's problem seems to be "Only I can fix it". Tesla desperately needs a chief operating officer.

I think this comes kind of packaged with software engineering mentality. In software you can try and fail a lot and learn almost anything in a matter of weeks. And you can span up systems way more complex than what other industries are working on alone in your basement in a matter of weeks. Everything because text is much more malleable than any of the working products in other industries. You can plan a house quickly, but you can't build it, see where it failed, change those parts and redo half the architecture because you started out bad.

In manufacturing with that mentality you go bankrupt.

This mentality gives people coming from software a kind of hubris about being able to do anything alone. I think Musk is badly infected with that mind virus.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.” I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies. And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the…

I want to live in a universe where you at least apologise for calling someone a pedo, or yes, you get kicked out.

It doesn't absolve him of such an absurd, spiteful, and malicious action, but he did apologize: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019472152796381185?s=09

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.” I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies. And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the…

This. People apparently have a little self reflection, if at all. Let's get something straight: every person is a piece of shit, in some ways, granted some a bit more and some a bit less. Your project manager is a piece of shit in some ways, the new intern is, in her ways, your parents are, like it or not, in their own little ways. And finally you are a piece of shit, in your own distinct ways.

But of all the pieces of shit we have talked about, none of them are creating companies which can vertically land 70m by 3.7m rocket boosters from orbit. Compared to utility of Musk's initiatives to the society, he is actually a pretty nice person. Heck he is okay even in normal standards. Please consider the contents of both scales and judge responsibly.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.” I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies. And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the…

Its easy to say that because the chance of it happening is slim, and it allows for him to bail out if that's occurring short-term. For me, Musk's major failure was with the children who were lost in a cave and his pedophile tweet. Everyone has flaws and makes mistakes, but that mistake showed me how flawed his personality is. It was classic narcissism behaviour, right from textbook.

Narcissists gravitating to positions of importance is an age old truism. Very few people are cut out for the kind of work Musk and people like him do, so I am inclined to be utilitarian in cases like this. Musk might be an asswipe, but his initiatives could have a major positive impact on the future of humanity, so I'll let him slide for the time being.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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"Then he got in a Tesla Model S and drove himself to the airport. En route, Mr. Musk typed his fateful message." Don't text while driving. This going private thing is a strange idea. Sell Tesla to the Saudi sovereign wealth fund? The one dedicated to keeping oil a viable industry? Does he want Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud as a boss? That makes no sense. Softbank might make sense. Part of Musk's problem seems to be "O…

> Part of Musk's problem seems to be "Only I can fix it". Tesla desperately needs a chief operating officer. They have a VP of manufacturing, Gilbert Passin, who's a car guy, but he does not seem to be in charge. He's not the one living in the plant. There are people who have fixed broken production lines. Musk is not one of them.

Basically, Tesla needs Gwynne Whitwell or her clone.

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