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Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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The article notes allegations that the Board is concerned that Mr. Musk has been taking Ambien as a sleeping aid, but instead of sleeping, has been posting bizarre tirades on Twitter. I actually have a number of American* friends who take Ambien frequently with the intent that it be a sleeping aid. However, they all commonly do exactly what Mr. Musk may be doing: failing to sleep after taking their Ambien, and instea…

Do your friend's prescriptions really come up in conversation that often? I have no idea what prescriptions my friends may or may not have with the exception of one or two really close friends.

No, but it's fairly common for people on Ambien to have stories about crazy things their SO found them doing in the middle of the night. These stories often pop up in conversation similar to how drunk stories do. There's even an entire subreddit dedicated to the topic [1].

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ambien/

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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post #28

I haven't been the biggest Musk fan but this profile did evoke sympathy from me, and felt far more honest than the persona he conveys via Twitter. I don't get how the board could for so long be OK knowing that Musk is as he is, and not putting a much higher priority in finding a second-in-command. What Tesla is trying to achieve is part personal genius/drive from Musk, but I would expect a huge part of it is good log…

> Is there something particularly hard about finding a qualified COO for Tesla?

From talking to a few former execs at Tesla, yes: working directly for Elon.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about all those recent self-driving crashes? What about Apollo 1? There is a difference between a civilian and military death. But they are both pursuing progress. One can’t discount the costs without any concept of the potential benefits.

I wouldn't include the self-driving tech among the world-changing progress. Climate change is a pressing disaster for our whole species; self-driving cars are not urgent enough to be pursued with the same intensity, and are dangerous enough to deserve more rigour.

Automobiles cause over 1,000,000 deaths globally per year. Not to mention the number of human hours used to drive. Elimination of the need for people to drive and reducing auto deaths by, say 95%, I think would be world-changing.

What ratio of lives saved to extra deaths while creating self-driving tech would you accept?

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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The article notes allegations that the Board is concerned that Mr. Musk has been taking Ambien as a sleeping aid, but instead of sleeping, has been posting bizarre tirades on Twitter. I actually have a number of American* friends who take Ambien frequently with the intent that it be a sleeping aid. However, they all commonly do exactly what Mr. Musk may be doing: failing to sleep after taking their Ambien, and instea…

A family member was taking Ambien and gave another family member quite a scare when they got up early for coffee and then passed out face down in their coffee.. and began talking gibberish while the ambulance was coming and taking them.. Doctors chalked it up to a TIA (mini stroke) but saw no physical evidence.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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Musk has turned himself into a marketing machine in the same manner that the Kardashians have. He sets up dramatic situations that have villains and he plays the good guy trying to save the world from ruin. I commend him for being able to manipulate the media. With their help he's been able to build a billion dollar company. I wish I could do the same. But at this point, I DON'T CARE. All I want to do is read the new…

You felt compelled to comment here though.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The presence of an SEC investigation is cause for concern. But why not just say that? Why repeat absurd rumors about billion dollar investor lawsuits? What does it gain you to spread, by your own admission, completely baseless rumors? I keep thinking HN is not the place for this sort of nonsense but then maybe I'm the one in the wrong. Certainly most discussions about Musk here are not based on any kind of rational a…

>>Why repeat absurd rumors about billion dollar investor lawsuits? You misunderstand. The calculation is not about a single lawsuit costing billions. It's about potential damages from ALL possible lawsuits from pissed off short-sellers. And that's not absurd at all - it's a real possibility, since Tesla stock is one of the most popular on the stock market.

Not only from short-sellers. Many people bought TSLA at $380 because, you know, funding secured.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.”

I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies.

And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the next generation of such companies, and how we can identify and develop them.

I've never been any kind of Musk fanboy, and like most people I've looked on at his recent behaviour with some combination of bemusement and astonishment.

But when I see the hate and vitriol heaped on him, I'm compelled to wonder just what kind of alternative universe people are wishing for.

Do we actually want Tesla and SpaceX to fail?

Would we rather that Musk had just never founded Tesla and SpaceX, that the world didn't have any companies doing what those companies are trying to do, and that we were left to be content with the previous status quo in the automotive and space industries?

If not, then it would surely be better for the conversation to be less about how crazy or unstable or reckless Musk is, and more about how he and other leaders of today and of the future can pursue their ambitious goals, but to do so in a way that is responsible and balanced.

The alternative is not some as-yet-unknown-person-other-than-Musk doing the same thing but doing it better.

The number of people who are capable of building and running companies like these is vanishingly small and they will inevitably have extreme personality traits - some positive and some negative.

My concern is not for Musk's feelings, but for the way society goes about choosing, developing and critiquing the next generation of ambitious leaders, of whom we'll need plenty more if the world's increasingly complex problems are to be solved.

I should add that this applies whether we're talking about corporate leaders or political/community leaders.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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The article notes allegations that the Board is concerned that Mr. Musk has been taking Ambien as a sleeping aid, but instead of sleeping, has been posting bizarre tirades on Twitter. I actually have a number of American* friends who take Ambien frequently with the intent that it be a sleeping aid. However, they all commonly do exactly what Mr. Musk may be doing: failing to sleep after taking their Ambien, and instea…

They don't prescribe Ambien in Canada, although they do prescribe Zopiclone which is a cousin of it.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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But, he added, “if you have anyone who can do a better job, please let me know. They can have the job. Is there someone who can do the job better? They can have the reins right now.” I think this hits at the crux of the issue around the performance/behaviour of Musk and other leaders of hugely ambitious companies. And I think it highlights the importance of thinking about what kinds of people it will take to lead the…

Its easy to say that because the chance of it happening is slim, and it allows for him to bail out if that's occurring short-term.

For me, Musk's major failure was with the children who were lost in a cave and his pedophile tweet. Everyone has flaws and makes mistakes, but that mistake showed me how flawed his personality is. It was classic narcissism behaviour, right from textbook.

Re: Elon Musk Confronts a Fateful Tweet and an ‘Excruciating’ Year

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it's almost absurd to argue that Musk is the only billionaire alive whose work is a net positive on society.

Name another billionaire, other than maybe Bill Gates, who's presently doing anything good, at all.

I think this list of philanthropists[1] contains quite a few billionaires. That counts as "doing good" in my book.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_philanthropists

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