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Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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Post by WalterSear »

dghughes wrote: post #30
lawlessone wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alcohol in particular is notorious for making depression worse. https://www.quitalcohol.com/alcohol-abuse/alcohol-and-suicid...

Cannabis can make underlying mental health problems worse. I guess it's important to note people should not self-medicate with any drug. https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=...

Check the links you posted: the association is found in children and those with latent schizophrenic disorders. We also know it is not associated with the causality of schizophrenia, just onset.

Causal association has been ruled out in the case of depression, and in regards to anxiety, the primary mental system it is involved with, the interaction goes both ways, with cost vs benefit unclear and academically unsettled.

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Post by dgzl »

phnk wrote: post #67
dgzl wrote: post #16

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What is your dose/frequency? I've experienced with a lot of drugs, and it's true that MDMA has some seriously beneficial effects in terms of turning around depression, anxiety, introversion, etc. However I've never used these or other (hard) drugs more than periodically and recreationally.

> depression, anxiety, introversion, etc. That's a whole array of pathologies and symptoms, for which there is no single pharmacological solution. Many comments in this thread are over-standardising mental illness as well as the (supervised administration) therapy presented in the linked article, which is about much more than dosage and frequency. On top of that, the patient in the article expresses many specificitie…

I wouldn't agree that your evidence base is replaced with anecdotes (not sure what you mean by SWIM), rather since the drug has been outlawed, all you have left are anecdotes. People will use and describe the effects of drugs with or without the law's discretion, and I would imagine the decriminalization-party should be thankful for the experimentations.

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Post by dqpb »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #3

I have no doubts, and I'm so thankful of the research that MAPS is doing. I haven't even been thru any trauma and MDMA pulled me out of depression and greatly reduced my anxiety. It was an absolute miracle for me. It disgusts me that the stuff is illegal while cigarettes and alcohol are not. AMA.

Cigarettes should absolutely be illegal.

Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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Post by dqpb »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #3

I have no doubts, and I'm so thankful of the research that MAPS is doing. I haven't even been thru any trauma and MDMA pulled me out of depression and greatly reduced my anxiety. It was an absolute miracle for me. It disgusts me that the stuff is illegal while cigarettes and alcohol are not. AMA.

> I have no doubts

This is a big red flag. You absolutely should have doubts. Our brains are very complicated and poorly understood, and psychoactive drugs are extremely risky. If you really have no doubts you should take a big step back and realize that you are probably wrong about most things and everyone else is too.

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Post by listic »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #3

I have no doubts, and I'm so thankful of the research that MAPS is doing. I haven't even been thru any trauma and MDMA pulled me out of depression and greatly reduced my anxiety. It was an absolute miracle for me. It disgusts me that the stuff is illegal while cigarettes and alcohol are not. AMA.

Did you try treatment for depression and anxiety first?

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Post by akaralar »

village-idiot wrote: post #64
forgotmypwagain wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure not all fermentation produces alcohol, but many fermenting organisms do. And of course it’s observational bias, I said that I personally can’t imagine how the culture of these countries would be without alcohol, though I’m sure people would get along just fine (we don’t need alcohol to survive after all). Just saying that not everything needs to be banned, otherwise we might as well ban sugar and salt as they pr…

I never said it needed to be banned, I’m saying that if we didn’t have a long history with it we probably wouldn’t allow it.

Well, sounds like allowing it was the right decision: https://outline.com/x5EAJE

Re: Suicidal Vet Calls MDMA Treatment ‘a Miracle'

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Post by heavenlyblue »

rwnspace wrote: post #52
heavenlyblue wrote: post #43

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I would barely feel anything at that dose and it would be incredibly short-spanned; more like cocaine. It's literally 75% of the dose for ~20% of the effects. Besides, if you would have read the article - they are mentioning dosages of 125mg. I would also be confident enough to say that MDMA is not as linear in dosages against body weight and _almost_surely_ it depends way more on your digestive than your body mass.…

I would suggest the quality of the drug matters far more than the digestive system. And that the difference between first-time experience and hundredth-time (which I don't think is a particularly healthy number of times to hit) is quite large.

Well, I would not suggest that since in most of the settings I had participated, people would be taking the powder from the same source.

So I’ve got a feeling that your point comes from reading some info on the internet, rather than your own experience.

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Post by phnk »

dgzl wrote: post #73
phnk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> depression, anxiety, introversion, etc. That's a whole array of pathologies and symptoms, for which there is no single pharmacological solution. Many comments in this thread are over-standardising mental illness as well as the (supervised administration) therapy presented in the linked article, which is about much more than dosage and frequency. On top of that, the patient in the article expresses many specificitie…

I wouldn't agree that your evidence base is replaced with anecdotes (not sure what you mean by SWIM), rather since the drug has been outlawed, all you have left are anecdotes. People will use and describe the effects of drugs with or without the law's discretion, and I would imagine the decriminalization-party should be thankful for the experimentations.

> since the drug has been outlawed, all you have left are anecdotes

That's what I meant: apologies if my wording led you to read me differently.

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Post by phnk »

microcolonel wrote: post #70
phnk wrote: post #68

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> I am convinced that there are more people who would begin to benefit from unprescribed private self-medication with MDMA than who would begin to suffer suffer harm. conviction |kənˈvɪkʃ(ə)n| 2 a firmly held belief or opinion belief |bɪˈliːf| an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof opinion |əˈpɪnjən| 1 a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or k…

Given that I did not use the word "conviction", what exactly are you getting at here.

I stand corrected, indeed: the OED avoids defining 'to be convinced' as 'to hold a conviction' -- which is what I read in your post: absolute but fundamentally baseless certainty.
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