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Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

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Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

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I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…

This feels like satire, I don't believe this person is being genuine.

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

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I usually have my foot with me. Foot + phone + ground = destroyed phone But, with enough resources they could still read the memory in the phone even if it was smashed.

Dump it in a bottle of Gatorade or coconut water.

will the electrolytes aid in the destruction?

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

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post #4
post #3

Seems like the only logical solution is to carry a hammer to destroy your phone if necessary. If the heat hasn't told you they want your phone, there's nothing legally stopping you from destroying your own property if you see them coming...

Or snap it in half, most phones will do this easily.

How does that prevent the judge from construing that as refusal to unlock your phone, and handing you a ten year sentence?

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

#45
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US: Life sentence. If a judge orders you to unlock your laptop/phone and you don't -- it could be a life sentence. IMHO, they go around the constitution with "Contempt of court". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indef...

Unless you're a politician, then you can just "have no recollection."

Politicians and plebs have the same exact ability there - in both cases what is already happening will just continue unimpeded. That's a principle called equal protection!

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

#46
Don't keep anything sensitive on your phone, encrypted or otherwise. Keep it on some storage medium whose very existence is secret.

They can't accuse you of refusing to unlock something whose whereabouts are unknown and, indeed, whose very existence is only alleged.

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

#48
post #9

I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hie is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -E. Snowden

And actually, most people have nothing to say. See China, for an example. Most people want peace, security and to create a home in which to raise children. They care, but not very strongly, for the rights of minorities the environment and other things you might need freedom of speech to advocate. Freedom of speech and civil liberties are luxuries that can be sacrificed, as we see each time a new dictatorship is cheered forward by the masses. Most people are not idealistic, and have higher priorities than freedom.

If we want to preserve these rights we can't just appeal to their utility for the individual.

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

#49
post #3

Seems like the only logical solution is to carry a hammer to destroy your phone if necessary. If the heat hasn't told you they want your phone, there's nothing legally stopping you from destroying your own property if you see them coming...

Yeah, the court would never figure that one out and charge with destruction of evidence!

Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail

#50

Don't keep anything sensitive on your phone, encrypted or otherwise. Keep it on some storage medium whose very existence is secret. They can't accuse you of refusing to unlock something whose whereabouts are unknown and, indeed, whose very existence is only alleged.

That's concerning, because it's incredibly easy to feed sensitive and/or valuable data to your phone without it being deliberate. One could argue that that's Google's (and many others') business model.

Practically speaking, this is not a long jump to suggesting "don't think any banned thoughts", which obviously gets ugly fast.

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