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Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by yifanl »

repolfx wrote: post #79
onion2k wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who immediately shout about something being unfair when they're the ones who aren't benefitting but don't say anything at all when they do really bugs me. It's just plain selfishness. Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.

When do men unfairly benefit from things in the tech industry? Can you show something specific , that isn't a strong assumption of invisible discrimination on the basis of statistically differing outcomes? Cuz I don't recall encountering any "men in tech" events, or investment funds that invest only in men, or efforts to encourage white boys to study computers.

I'm going to reframe those questions.

Why are there no "men in tech" events? Why are no efforts made to encourage white guys to study compsci?

After all, if there's a genuine need for them, I would strongly expect them to exist.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by yifanl »

pas wrote: post #72
evilturnip wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No just remove barriers to entry so everyone has an equal opportunity. Positive discrimination not needed.

Let's say there are a barriers that formed over the last centuries, how do you plan to remove those quickly and effectively?

No one said quickly. If the only effective way is slow and incremental, then so be it.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by onion2k »

repolfx wrote: post #79
onion2k wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who immediately shout about something being unfair when they're the ones who aren't benefitting but don't say anything at all when they do really bugs me. It's just plain selfishness. Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.

When do men unfairly benefit from things in the tech industry? Can you show something specific , that isn't a strong assumption of invisible discrimination on the basis of statistically differing outcomes? Cuz I don't recall encountering any "men in tech" events, or investment funds that invest only in men, or efforts to encourage white boys to study computers.

Asking for explicit examples of an implicit bias is stupid.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by [deleted] »

panic wrote: post #70
DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

Thank you for sharing your perspective. It's sad (but somewhat unsurprising at this point) that in a discussion about gender, the only post recognizably written by a woman is at the bottom of the page.

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Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by anothergoogler »

kjullien wrote: post #52

I mean, we've almost gone full loop, so why not just tell them you identify as a woman ? If they support this debauchery that is the "new-wave feminism" (my SO is a feminist, I support the cause and acknowledge that disparities exist in today's world, but what some so called "feminists" are fighting for today is... and its only made worse by the fact that the crazy ones are the ones that get publicized), they have no…

Talk about burying the lede, Vue.js has its own conferences now? What a time to be alive.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by miramardesign »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

once again we must coddle women even though they are overrepresented in college and have every opportunity to study computer science or go into tech.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by leereeves »

yifanl wrote: post #81
repolfx wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When do men unfairly benefit from things in the tech industry? Can you show something specific , that isn't a strong assumption of invisible discrimination on the basis of statistically differing outcomes? Cuz I don't recall encountering any "men in tech" events, or investment funds that invest only in men, or efforts to encourage white boys to study computers.

I'm going to reframe those questions. Why are there no "men in tech" events? Why are no efforts made to encourage white guys to study compsci? After all, if there's a genuine need for them, I would strongly expect them to exist.

I get your point but there's a strong bias against any program target at specifically helping men.

For example, there are few events targeted at recruiting more boys to college, even though only 40% of college students are male; and few programs specifically targeted at helping homeless men even though most homeless people are adult men.

Contrast that to the PR value of program like this that's targeted at helping women.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

#88

Post by lucozade »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

Those could be the reasons but it's probably more likely that it's just a tie-in to the events Stripe just had for female founders.

I guess it would be a bit less confusing if they'd just made the offer to folks that attended the events but it seems quite nice that they didn't.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by drharby »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

This struck me too close to my bones

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by pas »

yifanl wrote: post #82
pas wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say there are a barriers that formed over the last centuries, how do you plan to remove those quickly and effectively?

No one said quickly. If the only effective way is slow and incremental, then so be it.

Stripe seems to disagree though.
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