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Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by DoreenMichele »

pc86 wrote: post #60
DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

This is a confusing, nonsensical rant, which is unfortunate because I feel like you're trying to make a good point but for the life of me I can't figure out what the hell it is.

Social stuff is complicated and one of the things that keeps oppressed groups oppressed is the fact that the rules are de facto different for them. So if you really want change, you need to somehow account for the fact that generic invitations won't be seen as "We really are actually inviting you, too" by some members of some groups.

Is that any clearer for you? Because I don't think it's a rant at all.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by 18pfsmt »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

>A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited.

This is kind of interesting and in stark contrast to much of the hacker mentality that doesn't really care "what they really mean" when "they" make rules. In fact, the hacker mentality is usually to twist interpretations and tease out any technical loophole. It goes along with "ask for forgiveness, not permission." Certainly, something to think about.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by haaen »

I do not understand why Stripe choose a headline that does partially cover the content of the article. In a sexist, but politically correct way. I also don't understand why comments about this being sexist get flagged. Finally, I wonder why the moderators changed the original HN headline to the same headline that Stripe uses. Isn't it HN policy that headlines that seems clickbaity or wrong get changed by the moderators, so that they become more factual and understated?

Anyway, great move from Stripe. Seems that they want remove barriers for starting and running a company, which is good for the creation of wealth and jobs. Be it Stripe Atlas, the card business, Indiehackers or the publishing company. Al those newly founded companies are also target customers for Stripe. Which is completely ok and speaks of good common business sense!

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by pc86 »

amelius wrote: post #57
fiiv wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can discrimination be positive? It seems by design the very concept is negative.

How about a discount at the zoo for children?

Discounts for children aren't because children don't have money. They're for two reasons in particular:

1) Children, particularly much younger ones, will remember less of the experience specifically. They're certainly likely to have an overall positive memory of the experience though.

2) If you're a family of 5 that's a lot of tickets. Making the children's tickets cheaper and the toddler's ticket free makes it much easier to go to the zoo on a budget. Children aren't going to the zoo by themselves but the zoo is likely not losing any revenue by discounting child tickets because they're able to get so many more families to come in the first place.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by onion2k »

headsoup wrote: post #9

I get the intent here and applaud encouraging female participation and equality, but this is pretty much just discrimination based on sex.

People who immediately shout about something being unfair when they're the ones who aren't benefitting but don't say anything at all when they do really bugs me. It's just plain selfishness.

Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by djohnston »

onion2k wrote: post #65
headsoup wrote: post #9

I get the intent here and applaud encouraging female participation and equality, but this is pretty much just discrimination based on sex.

People who immediately shout about something being unfair when they're the ones who aren't benefitting but don't say anything at all when they do really bugs me. It's just plain selfishness. Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.

that's human nature. we're selfish.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by bdcravens »

Lewton wrote: post #56
Lewton wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zhangela's inability to read?

Since the title has now been rephrased to something more representative of what Stripe is doing, I have to point out that my comment was made when the original title that zhangela made caused an absolute shitstorm I can't delete it now, so don't downvote it unless you're aware of the context it was made in I'm not a fan of the mod teams decision to unflag this with a rephrased title, as the discussions that were spaw…

I've learned when an article is submitted with a changed title, to always reference that title in my comments. Most of the time, it'll get changed.

> so don't downvote it unless you're aware of the context it was made in

"zhangela's inability to read?" is a bit of an attack regardless of context, unless the context is actually discussing literacy. HN downvotes comments with that kind of tone, and more so one-liner comments with no explanation. Reddit probably wouldn't.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by onion2k »

djohnston wrote: post #66
onion2k wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who immediately shout about something being unfair when they're the ones who aren't benefitting but don't say anything at all when they do really bugs me. It's just plain selfishness. Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.

that's human nature. we're selfish.

That's an convenient excuse to not try harder.

Re: Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas

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Post by panic »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #59

Since the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections . Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that s…

Thank you for sharing your perspective. It's sad (but somewhat unsurprising at this point) that in a discussion about gender, the only post recognizably written by a woman is at the bottom of the page.
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