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Post by skookumchuck »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #57
jdoliner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I remember reading that the DoD deserves credit for the entire field of plastic surgery, it was originally pioneered to help soldiers who had suffered disfigurement in combat. Only later did it become something for civilian augmentation.

Close - an Ally. It was Gilles at the Royal Army Medical Corps in WW1 who pioneered skin grafts and plastic surgery. He'd done thousands of facial reconstructions by war's end. He set up a plastic surgery clinic between the wars. A relative of his, McIndoe, became famous (the better known of the two today) for his work in WW2 for pioneering and inventing many treatments for burn victims. Burns had become a common inj…

The Germans during WW2 had the best plastic surgery for burns.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by wruza »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #221
wruza wrote: post #197

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And most good people concentrated in one set of countries and most bad people concentrated in another. It’s not grids of interests and interesting consequences, it’s just a distribution, man! All bad guys just happen to be over there hating you. Just because you’re better and know better. /s Surprisingly, most of the times you don’t get bites by simply not sticking your nose into every wasp nest. Still, doing that cr…

It’s not too hard to look up what kinda of childhood experiences create “bad people”. If your economy is 100x your target, you just pay to make those things happen more often. Wait 20 years and you have a bunch of bad people who hate us. Instant war. Billions to be made. Pretty neat plan. Not sure how it ends.

It doesn’t. Military and politicians can now control how much hate there is via slight moves here and there. The end seems when otherwise smart people would stop claiming things like “war is human nature”, “don’t look at the military background of good deeds” and would finally open their eyes to see what psychopaths they are electing on and on. Until then it is a positive feedback loop.

And this is not specific to US, if that matters.

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Post by Hextinium »

Markoff wrote: post #215
mmirate wrote: post #170

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Indeed. If you're hunting large animals, you want to cause plenty of destruction to a vital location in a single shot, so that the animal dies quickly and humanely. (And you certainly don't shoot at their face, parallel to their face.) If you own dangerous tools that don't happen to be useful outside hunting (bolt-action, small magazine, high-penetration cartridges), you also want to store the dangerous tool in a sec…

why anyone need to hunt animals again? killing animals for fun seem like odd hobby in country so focused on no harm done during shooting movie or other times to any animals, seem animals there get better treatment than many citizens with exception of hunting

I was also confused at one point why someone would go hunting until i had it explained to me: it's a challege at its core. People go hunting because even with rifles it is still hard to identify a target and without alerting it, fire. And not miss. You can be out for hours and spend counrless hours at the range and lose all that time in 5 seconds if you mess up. Its a rush and as for everything its not for everyone but that is a bit of the mind of a hunter.

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Post by hhjinks »

int_handler wrote: post #162
TomMckenny wrote: post #82

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Perhaps if there are no instruments at hand that allow the young to act on such a disastrous suicidal impulse, at least some of these incidents could be prevented.

If you want to go that route, then you'll need to also remove the following instruments: * Ropes or any kind of cords that can be used for hanging * Blades of any kind (kitchen knives, scissors, box cutters, utility knives, etc.) * Anything that can be sharpened into a point that can puncture flesh * Any kind of chemical substance that can be deadly in sufficient quantities. * Any bodies of water where one can drown…

None of those leave you without one of the most fundamental parts of your identity if you mess up the attempt.

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Post by Lucent »

extralego wrote: post #184
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #6

> Much of Katie’s care is being paid for by the Department of Defense, because her youth and ballistic trauma make her a stand-in for wounded warriors. For the rest of her life, she’ll take powerful antirejection drugs with risks of their own, becoming a lifelong subject in the study of this still experimental surgery. Kudos to the DoD for doing this. The military historically has been the driver for advances in surg…

Even better would be not losing her face to begin with. This was preventable. Am I the only one to notice the events that led up to this? 1. Young girl moves multiple times due to her parent’s jobs, causing for stress and anxiety. 2. Girl finds stability and passion when she is granted an encouraging educational experience/environment at a private school where her parents both found contract jobs. 3. Parents both los…

Regardless of whether this analysis is correct or incorrect, I applaud you for thinking about the bigger picture and I rebuke anyone who criticizes you for going "off-topic" or argues this kind of thoughtful analysis of proximate causes is insensitive.

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Post by Hextinium »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #156
detaro wrote: post #144

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Given the 3 days between death and operation and the ventilator, sounds like a case of someone in a coma and being declared dead due to brain function ceasing. In such cases basic stuff like heartbeat etc is still running on its own (otherwise the tissue wouldn't be supplied with oxygen and die), so there's still vital signs to monitor.

Thanks for explaining They mentioned cocaine, I never realized you could die by cocaine? What is LD50 of cocaine in street units, say "lines"? Why are some people in coma declared dead and others kept alive? Have people ever "recovered" from coma? Is it a question of permission from next of kin to keep the patient alive? Or does it boil down to a financial question?

LD50 for cocaine in mice is 94 mg/kg and a line is 35 - 100 mg according to wikipedia. So a large line per kilogram will probably kill you.

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Post by paulddraper »

extralego wrote: post #184
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #6

> Much of Katie’s care is being paid for by the Department of Defense, because her youth and ballistic trauma make her a stand-in for wounded warriors. For the rest of her life, she’ll take powerful antirejection drugs with risks of their own, becoming a lifelong subject in the study of this still experimental surgery. Kudos to the DoD for doing this. The military historically has been the driver for advances in surg…

Even better would be not losing her face to begin with. This was preventable. Am I the only one to notice the events that led up to this? 1. Young girl moves multiple times due to her parent’s jobs, causing for stress and anxiety. 2. Girl finds stability and passion when she is granted an encouraging educational experience/environment at a private school where her parents both found contract jobs. 3. Parents both los…

> We love to talk about how competition motivates innovation, but it also motivates economic rollercoasters.

> But we’ve created an America where an honest living means a shitty school and an existence no more stable than a contract job. Nobody thinks about what this does to the kids. All they see is innovation.

Instability is natural. Disease is natural. Starvation is natural. Death is natural. Chaos is natural.

Innovation is what gives us the degree of stability we do have. Innovation in health care, in manufacturing, in communication, in a thousand tiny things that you or I have never even contemplated.

If the complaint is that we are moving too fast to more efficient, more advanced, more productive existence, then it is a valid but welcome problem to have.

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Post by danso »

msallin wrote: post #161

Sorry to be that guy, but is there a text-only way to read this article? I just can't handle the images, they're haunting me.

I had to look away at some points in the story. Kudos to the photographer and the editor for choosing such powerful if uncomfortable imagery.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by vlasev »

crescentfresh wrote: post #47

As a father to two so-far-healthy young boys, one soon to be a teenager I feel devastated at the thought of either of them having to endure the level of emotional chaos that Katie went through the moments leading up to her suicide attempt. My stomach goes into a knot at the thought. I mean gosh, it was a cheating boyfriend. I don't know what to do to protect them from such a path.

A good first step would be to create a good life for them that they could always go back to in the event if such a crisis. If you are happy or at least content being by yourself, even if you get cheated on, you can get back to normal. If you are empty without a partner and then get cheated on, you lose a lot more.

Re: Katie's New Face

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Post by trymas »

ctrlc-root wrote: post #201
ClassyJacket wrote: post #94

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Live in any other country than America, I guess, so an emotional person can't get their hands on a gun in two seconds.

If you're arguing for proper storage of guns, I completely agree with you. If you're arguing that we should reduce gun ownership to save lives, you're ignoring how many lives are saved by private ownership of guns. Unfortunately, no one keeps track of this statistic, but the CDC estimates between 500,000 and 3,000,000 lives are saved in any given year [0]. This study only provides an estimate, but still, compare that…

I am amazed, that 0.2-1% of population would be murdered every year.

Have similar statistics been acquired in other western countries, but with much more strict gun ownership laws, i.e. people can't protect themselves from violence?

It sound to me that it's a vicious circle, isn't it? Guns are easy to get -> bad people get guns -> good people need to get guns to protect themselves -> everybody is "fealing threatened for their lives".

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