Is HackerNews accessible from mainland China? There’s been a lot of discussion here recently about Google working with the CCP’s censorship regime, kidnapped dissidents, and the interment of Muslims in Xinjiang. What impact will this move have on the featuring and discussion of these stories?
YC China and Qi Lu
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
Than you be pragmatic and make concessions.
We should never, ever make concessions when it comes to human rights.
We make concessions every day regarding human rights in the United States (abusing immigrant/migrant labor under the table, our prison population). I am most definitely not saying it's right, but you have to look inward first when you're making such bold claims.
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#253Of all places they could go. China appearing to succeed at a time when democracy is on the ropes is a dangerous trend for democracy. When you import goods from China, you import repression. Short-termed capitalists might think the repression applies just to workers, but China is a country with no human rights, no property rights, no rule of law. The Chinese government reserves the right to take anything you "own" the…
lmao, yeah ok st. theresa
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#254YC's got a very, very fine line to tread if they're serious about China - with its limits on human rights and authoritarian tendencies, the Chinese government is absolutely not to be trusted. I worry about what sort of concessions tech companies have made and will make to gain access to the Chinese market.
I think this is a very American perspective; I'm American as well. It is very easy for us to forget our own human rights abuses, like bombing children in the Middle East, torture in Abu Ghraib, etc. etc. and focus on other countries as the "bad guys". America's leadership has made mistakes, China's leadership has made mistakes, but to use those mistakes to promote isolationism divides us as a global people. China run…
Many Chinese, like Americans, want to make their home and the world a better place
How about respecting human rights? That would be a start.
Technology can help for some things, but past a certain point, "making the world a better place" also imply policy changes.
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#255Is HackerNews accessible from mainland China? There’s been a lot of discussion here recently about Google working with the CCP’s censorship regime, kidnapped dissidents, and the interment of Muslims in Xinjiang. What impact will this move have on the featuring and discussion of these stories?
Yes. I tried 3 weeks ago, it works. That's the only western site I frequnt and still accessible from inside. My savior!
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#256It’s troubling that this statement is so overtly unserious. Has YC and its surrounding culture become so insulated that they cannot see the obviously self-defeating through-line in this statement? “Our mission at YC is to enable more innovation than any other company in the world, and to ensure that the benefits of that are fairly spread throughout humanity.” Do you really think it’s possible to ensure that the benef…
There are majority of society and economic activity that are neutral to policitics.
Why cannot YC improve invocation by focusing on those areas?!
If your dad said harsh words to you, are you going to claim that you are made inferior to normal citizen or you are working with a repressive parent?
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Taiwan was land that was forcibly colonized by the Han Chinese. The original inhabitants are Austronesian people [1] I think a better move would be to move YC China to Vancouver, given the high density of rich Chinese expats in Vancouver, and its status of being in a liberal, western democracy. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_indigenous_peoples [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada
Isn't Canada also land that was forcibly colonized, by the French and British?
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did work for MS China for almost 10 years, and Microsoft does sell shrink wrap software in China, but they don't really do services there, they've tried and even though they are on the government's good side, it just never worked out for them. Microsoft is a good example of my claim. Not trying to move the goalpost, but DJI is more of a hardware company, it isn't really an internet one. Any company that can operate…
Azure Cloud is operating fine in China, so does Office365. Are these services? Also AWS China is a huge deal.
You mean the one run by the Shanghai water company?
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#259The political concerns are real. It's too cynical to say that YC just cares about money, though. There would be better ways to create an incubator than to do it like this, if that were the case. One obvious question that hasn't been raised is: "Why not base it in Taiwan?" It's still "China" (for some definition of China), you can still get access to the talent that you want (you just have to try a little harder), and…
> "Why not base it in Taiwan?" It's still "China" (for some definition of China), you can still get access to the talent that you want (you just have to try a little harder), and you could still get access to the market you're targeting. Native Chinese here. I don't think this is the case. It's not even close to ideal to base in Taiwan given the political environment between the straits nowadays. The policies are ver…
well, ROC and PRC are for all intents and purposes foreign to each other... if not hostile
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't Canada also land that was forcibly colonized, by the French and British?
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It's not, because you mention directly that YC China should move to Vancouver, and the commenter said that the same issue you have with Taiwan happened in Canada.