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Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

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Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

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> Health and tolerance provides creativity for the future. This one is classified bullshit, although I think it makes at least somewhat sense.

Howso? I don't see how either health or tolerance is related to creativity… Also why only future creativity?

As someone who picked out the "two categories" of statements with 100% accuracy before looking at the answers...

I think he has a point.

Creativity could be proposed to be conditional on maintaining personal well-being (health) while undergoing exposure to many new experiences (tolerance).

Losing your health during exposure to new things makes you reactionary and conservative and want to cling to set ideas.

Have no tolerance and you won't even want to be exposed to new or uncomfortable experiences in the first place.

But if you can maintain your health, and tolerate exposure to new ideas, why the fruit that comes from both those while undergoing continued diverse experiences is presumably creativity (being in the future because you can only get it after said experiences).

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#73

A simple self-experiment if you haven't read the paper, find which of these sentences are bullshit. Answer in order without reading further ahead, and don't go back to change your answers (as to replicate experimental conditions). * 1. A river cuts through a rock, not because of its power but it's persistence. 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. 3. The future elucidates irrational facts for the seek…

I got 100%. My BS meter is quantum!

Only one I got wrong is 6, because it has a grammar error in it.

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#74

> Health and tolerance provides creativity for the future. This one is classified bullshit, although I think it makes at least somewhat sense.

Right. Also: > 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. Describes reading the description of an artwork at a Modern Art gallery pretty well

Modern Art is bullshit.

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#75

A simple self-experiment if you haven't read the paper, find which of these sentences are bullshit. Answer in order without reading further ahead, and don't go back to change your answers (as to replicate experimental conditions). * 1. A river cuts through a rock, not because of its power but it's persistence. 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. 3. The future elucidates irrational facts for the seek…

> 11. Imagined pain does not hurt less because it is imagined. This statement confuses cause (some damage) and effect (pain) and so should be in the bullshit category, or else it's poorly written/translated. An imagined cause may lead to real pain, for example if you believe you've been betrayed but you haven't. The pain is the same as if you had actually been betrayed, and in both cases that pain isn't imagined, it'…

Pain hurts by definition. Even if the pain is imagined, it still hurts, by definition. If you are imagining something that doesn't hurt, you are not imagining pain, by definition. Pain hurts, even if it is all in your head.

Same as 'irrational fears are scary despite being irrational', or 'imaginary fears are scary despite being imaginary'.

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#76
post #5

Bullshit-sensitivity and cynicism are practically synomyms I'd say. It feels counter-intuitive to find cynicism positively correlated with prosocial behaviour (which the article defines as donating to and/or joining a charity.)

> It feels counter-intuitive to find cynicism positively correlated with prosocial behaviour (which the article defines as donating to and/or joining a charity.)

Does it? I would expect both to follow from, for want of a better term, "caring more": you would expect someone who is more sensitive to bad things to be both cynical and prosocial than someone who noticed bad things less.

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#77

A simple self-experiment if you haven't read the paper, find which of these sentences are bullshit. Answer in order without reading further ahead, and don't go back to change your answers (as to replicate experimental conditions). * 1. A river cuts through a rock, not because of its power but it's persistence. 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. 3. The future elucidates irrational facts for the seek…

I got 100%. My BS meter is quantum!

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Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 11. Imagined pain does not hurt less because it is imagined. This statement confuses cause (some damage) and effect (pain) and so should be in the bullshit category, or else it's poorly written/translated. An imagined cause may lead to real pain, for example if you believe you've been betrayed but you haven't. The pain is the same as if you had actually been betrayed, and in both cases that pain isn't imagined, it'…

Pain hurts by definition. Even if the pain is imagined, it still hurts, by definition. If you are imagining something that doesn't hurt, you are not imagining pain, by definition. Pain hurts, even if it is all in your head. Same as 'irrational fears are scary despite being irrational', or 'imaginary fears are scary despite being imaginary'.

>If you are imagining something that doesn't hurt, you are not imagining pain, by definition.

By the same logic, I can feel happy just by imagining myself feeling happy?

Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#79

A simple self-experiment if you haven't read the paper, find which of these sentences are bullshit. Answer in order without reading further ahead, and don't go back to change your answers (as to replicate experimental conditions). * 1. A river cuts through a rock, not because of its power but it's persistence. 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. 3. The future elucidates irrational facts for the seek…

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Re: Bullshit-sensitivity predicts prosocial behavior

#80
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps because all pain is, in a sense, "imagined"?

I don't think so. The sentence seems to be accepting the distinction between imagined pain and real pain, and saying that the imaginary nature of the former does not cause it to hurt less than the latter (technically leaving open the possibility that it does hurt less for some other reason). Also, we clearly can distinguish imaginary pain from real pain. For example, there's a difference between the real pain I feel…

But a pragmatist in many people would say: “why then that person does not take any antidepressants/codeine?”, if that pain is so painful?

So it may be quite a bullshit statement, depending on how you take it.

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