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Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Post by wccrawford »

compcoffee wrote: post #5
djohnston wrote: post #3

"They caution the results are only in laboratory conditions and advise further research is needed to better understand the long-term health impact - the changes recorded took place only over 48 hours."

Are we supposed to look negatively upon this study because they say "more research is needed"? Sounds like good science to me.

We're supposed to realize that it isn't a "fact". It's a study that has produced interesting results that point to something, but until more research is done, it doesn't mean anything yet.

If that's your version of "negative", then yes, we should look negatively on it.

But more correctly, we should look skeptically on it. Just like all other studies that haven't been replicated scientifically.

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Post by waylayla »

johnbustram wrote: post #20

One thing I'm confused about with vaping: There is plenty of information about vaping w/ e-cigarettes. The negative effects and what not. However this information is not extended to vaping marijuana. I understand that e-cigs use oil/liquid of some sort. In the marijuana world there is dry herb vaping (heating the plant until it vaporizes), oil, wax, etc. I imagine some of the e-cig issues extends to marijuana for oil…

Part of the reason you see less research on marijuana is because there are more obstacles to doing such research. Here is a 2017 National Academy of Sciences report on the topic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425757/

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Post by moate »

johnbustram wrote: post #20

One thing I'm confused about with vaping: There is plenty of information about vaping w/ e-cigarettes. The negative effects and what not. However this information is not extended to vaping marijuana. I understand that e-cigs use oil/liquid of some sort. In the marijuana world there is dry herb vaping (heating the plant until it vaporizes), oil, wax, etc. I imagine some of the e-cig issues extends to marijuana for oil…

Think about how vaporizing dry plant material works: you're using low, sustained heat to vaporize the oils without igniting anything. You're still inhaling a viscus substance, and there are going to be negative consequences to that. You're also going to vaporize things other substances in the plant matter that may not exist in the oil/wax forms depending on extraction method.

TL;dr- Vaping is better than smoking, but that still doesn't mean it's harmless or "good".

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Post by moate »

rsynnott wrote: post #17
lainga wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?

A bit different, in that the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes. So the fact that they're still considered preferable to real cigarettes is relevant.

The primary use of e-cigarettes/vapes is ingesting nicotine. Some people used e-cigarettes as a cessation aid. There are tons of young people who are growing up having never smoked cigarettes and who went directly to vaping. Their choice wasn't exactly "cigarettes or vape" it was "vape or not vape".

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Post by lainga »

rsynnott wrote: post #17
lainga wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?

A bit different, in that the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes. So the fact that they're still considered preferable to real cigarettes is relevant.

Not among my age cohort, many of whom have never encountered cigarettes.

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Post by acchow »

onemoresoop wrote: post #19

I applaud that they state it's still safer than regular cigarettes. I gifted a friend who is a smoker with an e-cig package. A couple of months later he is still smoking cigarettes as he thinks these may be more dangerous..

What does he base that conclusion on?

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Post by onemoresoop »

acchow wrote: post #27
onemoresoop wrote: post #19

I applaud that they state it's still safer than regular cigarettes. I gifted a friend who is a smoker with an e-cig package. A couple of months later he is still smoking cigarettes as he thinks these may be more dangerous..

What does he base that conclusion on?

Silly headlines like e-cigarettes not as harmless as thought, etc..

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Post by gdaxthrowaway »

waylayla wrote: post #22
johnbustram wrote: post #20

One thing I'm confused about with vaping: There is plenty of information about vaping w/ e-cigarettes. The negative effects and what not. However this information is not extended to vaping marijuana. I understand that e-cigs use oil/liquid of some sort. In the marijuana world there is dry herb vaping (heating the plant until it vaporizes), oil, wax, etc. I imagine some of the e-cig issues extends to marijuana for oil…

Part of the reason you see less research on marijuana is because there are more obstacles to doing such research. Here is a 2017 National Academy of Sciences report on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425757/

> [...] the federal government has not legalized cannabis and continues to enforce restrictive policies and regulations on research into the health harms or benefits of cannabis products that are available to consumers in a majority of states

FFS, if I would want to invest into something that has barriers to conduct a research, I'd give zero fucks about the law. Zero. These governments drive me nuts.

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Post by Retric »

nbar1 wrote: post #16
k_ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open…

>The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"

negligible != to zero.

I don't think people have the right to harm others in the work place, so a ban is still appropriate.

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