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Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by nonbel » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 1:50 AM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #96

nonbel wrote: post #83

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>"sugar is essential for the human body" Sugar is not essential to the diet, the body can make it from fat and protein. Ie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis However, afaik, you cannot live without fat or protein in your diet. >"Try exercising without a healthy blood sugar level due to lack of complex sugars." You assume "healthy blood sugar level" must be related to "amount of sugar in diet". Not true, y…

Consuming only fats and proteins stresses the body quite heavily. Carbs are the easiest calorie source to digest, there is almost no digestion required. Plus one can overload their body's compensatory mechanisms for acid base balance, due to the acidic ketones produced by gluconeogenesis. Its a terrible idea to do no carbs long term.

This isn't in conflict with what I said but ok. Possibly, what evidence are you basing this on?

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by chrisweekly » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 1:51 AM UTC

NoPicklez wrote: post #75

JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

After doing endurance exercise 80km+ bike rides each weekend, sodium and other forms of electrolytes are incredibly important. Without them I lose fluids and I get crazy leg cramps. The issue is that salt tastes good, so people load it on their food to the point where it is unhealthy. It's the same with sugar, there is a huge industry bashing sugar at the moment, but sugar is essential for the human body. They are ba…

It is misleading and completely wrong to infer from "low blood sugar levels make exercise hard" that dietary consumption of refined sugars is essential.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by nonbel » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 1:53 AM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #120

nonbel wrote: post #88

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"The fact that we still don't have a fully functional human body model to test theories on, doesn't help either." What does this mean?

Model as in model organism, like fruit flies in genetics, or mice in biology. Lacking a model organism means we can’t do much in the way of experiments and that means we learn much slower.

They said "we still don't have a fully functional human body model", as if one was pending or expected to be developed already.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by dogma1138 » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 1:55 AM UTC

xzel wrote: post #117

cies wrote: post #72

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All primates eat high carb. They are not fat. It is fat that blocks insulin on yr cells. No (or little) fat and you can absorb your carbs as nature intended. > Fats are not inherently bad for you, doesn’t matter if they are plant based or not. I agree. It is the refined fats that are bad.

This is just plain categorically wrong. All primates DO NOT eat high carb diets. Its not both just an over generalization because each species of primate have different diets (as well as regional diets) but many of them will eat nuts, meat, berries and other things. See dogma1138's child post to this parent as well as his other responses to cies other posts in this thread. No offense cies but your posts here reek of…

In case anyone is interested, Comparative Digestive Physiology: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458075/

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by marcosdumay » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 1:55 AM UTC

JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

I know that when I try to follow the recommended amount of added salt I get sick in 2 or 3 days. The total sodium one is impossible (one can eat more than it in fresh fruits!), so I never even tried.

You talk about moderation, but there has been a large lack of moderation on the part of health professionals for recommending untested practices.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by TheAceOfHearts » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:00 AM UTC

JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

A bit tangential, but if you do manage to cut on sugar... It completely transforms your palette. After a few weeks (or maybe months?) you can try an American candy-bar or soda and the sweetness is pretty overwhelming. I was addicted to soda growing up, and after quitting (or rather, greatly reducing), it completely blew my mind how many new flavors I was experiencing.

One piece of advice: if you want candy with lower levels of sweetness, I'd suggest giving Japanese candies a try.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by marcosdumay » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:00 AM UTC

anoncoward111 wrote: post #24

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #21

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> too much is bad In what way? Your kidneys dump any excess salt your body doesn't need. The long standing 20th century salt alarmism has no basis in reality.

Unless you are like me and have mild kidney failure and your kidneys cant really dump much of anything easily! All parameters should be based on personal experimentation

As far as I remember, sodium is dumped passively. The one thing kidneys need an effort to make is to keep it at the blood, not to dump it away.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by dogma1138 » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:02 AM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #119

cies wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All primates eat high carb. They are not fat. It is fat that blocks insulin on yr cells. No (or little) fat and you can absorb your carbs as nature intended. > Fats are not inherently bad for you, doesn’t matter if they are plant based or not. I agree. It is the refined fats that are bad.

The Inuit and other Eskimos ate basically nothing but meat and fat in their traditional lifestyle. Not all primates eat high carb. The Neanderthals didn’t either. Hominids have been eating diets high in meat and fat for a really long time.

I would be very careful about assuming too much about neanderthal diets recent studies show that they cooked and boiled food even made chamomile tea and based on recent tooth plaque analysis had a diet which was fairly rich in plant based food sources.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/2/486.full

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by rossdavidh » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:08 AM UTC

Whenever I hear discussion of whether we should defer to the judgement of scientists, I always want to ask, which field of science do you mean? In some, like physics, chemistry, evolutionary biology, geology, there is still much to be learned but what we have so far is pretty solid. You don't hear about the basics (matter is made of atoms, species emerge from natural selection, plate tectonics) getting overturned.

Then, there are other fields, like economics and nutrition, where the basic fundamentals of the field are a pile of mud. It is much like medicine in the era of balancing the four humours. In the meantime, we need to fund research, but not listen to any of the recommendations of the experts, until they achieve a basic level of understanding of their subject (which clearly hasn't happened yet).

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by appleiigs » Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 2:09 AM UTC

NoPicklez wrote: post #75

JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

After doing endurance exercise 80km+ bike rides each weekend, sodium and other forms of electrolytes are incredibly important. Without them I lose fluids and I get crazy leg cramps. The issue is that salt tastes good, so people load it on their food to the point where it is unhealthy. It's the same with sugar, there is a huge industry bashing sugar at the moment, but sugar is essential for the human body. They are ba…

Given the obesity problems in the US, the low-carb/keto suggestions are effectively the same as the premature optimization/bike shedding issues with coding. If you're eating 1,000 calories too much, it doesn't matter if it's carbs or protein. Get the calories-in-calories-out balance correct, then you can start worrying about the macro nutrition afterwards. If I recall correctly, the sugar toxicity problems occur when you don't burn them.