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Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by jschwartzi »

chomp wrote: post #46
JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

Yep. I go on longer (60+ mile) bike rides once a week. Salt is so important on those rides, I get severe cramps without it. Especially when cycling on 100+ degree days.

Yeah, I've hiked with people on low-salt diets and they've never failed to get a hyponatremia headache that gets better when they drink some electrolyte(salt). Frankly it doesn't make any sense to me to take an intervention that's good for high blood pressure and unilaterally try to apply it to perfectly healthy people.

They did that with fat too and look where we are.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by dogma1138 »

cies wrote: post #72
dogma1138 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High carb or low carb high protein diets which any low fat diet would turn into is a terrible idea in the both short and long term as they are glucose focused you want to avoid high blood sugar and high insulin levels since insulin causes your body to store fat. Fats are not inherently bad for you, doesn’t matter if they are plant based or not.

All primates eat high carb. They are not fat. It is fat that blocks insulin on yr cells. No (or little) fat and you can absorb your carbs as nature intended. > Fats are not inherently bad for you, doesn’t matter if they are plant based or not. I agree. It is the refined fats that are bad.

It’s not really not true, apes have very different diets e.g. Gorillas are folivore and mostly consume leaves they can actually digest cellulose (they ferment it which is why they have a huge belly as their colon is huge), while chimps are omnivores that actually eat meat and hunt colobus monkeys, as well as consume eggs, insects, birds, nuts and honey.

Also the human genetic and epigenetic landscape is utterly different just like the difference between any other species. And you also ignore our gut flora which is drastically different than apes in the wild (you would also not find apes with the same flora ofc, Gorillas and Chimps would have drastically different floras).

But sure eat like a gorilla around 50-60 I don’t remember if it’s lbs or kg of leaves a day but at those figures it doesn’t matter and see how long would you survive.

(just in case someone somehow would take that jest seriously, please don't eat like a Gorilla you will die, and if not you will suffer irreversible damage to your colon to the point where you quite possible wish you were dead)

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by nonbel »

NoPicklez wrote: post #75
JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

After doing endurance exercise 80km+ bike rides each weekend, sodium and other forms of electrolytes are incredibly important. Without them I lose fluids and I get crazy leg cramps. The issue is that salt tastes good, so people load it on their food to the point where it is unhealthy. It's the same with sugar, there is a huge industry bashing sugar at the moment, but sugar is essential for the human body. They are ba…

>"sugar is essential for the human body"

Sugar is not essential to the diet, the body can make it from fat and protein. Ie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

However, afaik, you cannot live without fat or protein in your diet.

>"Try exercising without a healthy blood sugar level due to lack of complex sugars."

You assume "healthy blood sugar level" must be related to "amount of sugar in diet". Not true, your body can adapt to different diets.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by dogma1138 »

cies wrote: post #76
dogma1138 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Butter is not bad it came from the time where liver function and metabolism was not as well understood, the worst thing you can have is insulin resistance which both high carb and high protein diets can cause as they both revolve around glucose. I would highly recommend to avoid any diet which is less than 30-40% in calories from fat. That said the worst thing you can have is high fat and high carb since the insulin…

> I would highly recommend to avoid any diet which is less than 30-40% in calories from fat. Our GI tract is very similar to that of primates. I think it is best to eat like they do: HCLF. > That said the worst thing you can have is high fat and high carb 100% agree. > the insulin would cause your body to store all the fat and turn the extra sugar into more fat. Nope. The extra glucose with spike in your blood (as th…

Our GI track is simmilar to some other primates primarily chimps but very different from others say Gorillas.

Gorillas nearly only eat leaves while chips are omnivores that hunt even monkeys and even practice cannibalism.

Glucose will turn into triglycerides and be stored into fat but more importantly what insulin does is instruct your fat cells to store energy.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by trukterious »

aetherson wrote: post #39
trukterious wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hear hear. Also I'd bet that a given quantity of salt sprinked on french fries raises the blood pressure more than the same amount dissolved in a glass of water accompanying unsalted fries. Wonder if anyone has tested this (or similar)?

How much would you bet on that?

Figure of speech :-) Yet I know from experience that visceral pleasures apparently make my heart beat faster, and that salt-water rinses for toothache are fairly unpleasant.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by antisthenes »

PunchTornado wrote: post #32

I guess just eating what you like and enjoy your life is the only sensible advice you can get. Don't exaggerate with anything: sugar, salt, alcohol, have them in moderation, like exercise and you'll be fine. Also a must: stop reading nutrition science.

We can certainly agree that the if the time spent reading dietary advice and nutrition articles with clickbaity headlines was spent on exercise instead, we'd all be better off.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by goostavos »

Numberwang wrote: post #27

So many confident comments in this thread. Why not make yourselves aware of the many big studies which all point in the same direction instead of just regurgitating what little pop science you are aware of?

The confidence is unreal! We're lucky to have so many experts in our midst. I hear one of them even read a book on the topic and you should read it too so that you can know the REAL correct diet that will lead to immortality.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by nonbel »

jarfil wrote: post #67
macspoofing wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nutrition Science is a huge mess even though it is a core part of human health. As in, it is a total disaster. Here's something depressing to think about: if the Keto people are correct, mainstream nutrition science was a key contributor to American obesity crisis and resulted in countless premature deaths and major suffering over the last few decades. Anyway, recently I wanted to look into whether or not eggs are go…

Nutrition is, for the most part, not science at all. Studies are not just financed by obvious interests in the result, but also they use really poor population samples with horrible falsability and repeatability issues. The fact that we still don't have a fully functional human body model to test theories on, doesn't help either.

"The fact that we still don't have a fully functional human body model to test theories on, doesn't help either."

What does this mean?

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by hrktb »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #16

And to play devil's advocate, the opposite findings from just this June https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180622012101.h...

I found the article hard to read with the constant switch from very assertive summaries and very nuanced quotes, so I might be missing something. Is it actually finding the opposite ?

For instance:

> Our findings indicate that inaccurate measurement of sodium intake could be an important contributor to the paradoxical J-shaped findings reported in some cohort studies. Epidemiological studies should not associate health outcomes with unreliable estimates of sodium intake

Basically, this seems to me to argue that the error range in the methods used would be bigger than the relevant range of results discussed, so to draw any conclusion measurements need to be redone.

That would be a bit different from a denial of a specific thesis, although I am sure the researcher must have an opinion on the matter.

Re: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study

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Post by scottLobster »

NoPicklez wrote: post #75
JeanMarcS wrote: post #31

During the heat wave in France this summer, messages to old persons were to drink regularly (which sometimes they forget) So a quarter of medical consultations related to elders and heat was for a lack of salt [0]. From Google translate it’s call hyponatremia. So as stated in other comments, moderation, may be, lack, bad idea. I’m actually in Ireland. They seem to have taken the salt part very seriously, as everythin…

After doing endurance exercise 80km+ bike rides each weekend, sodium and other forms of electrolytes are incredibly important. Without them I lose fluids and I get crazy leg cramps. The issue is that salt tastes good, so people load it on their food to the point where it is unhealthy. It's the same with sugar, there is a huge industry bashing sugar at the moment, but sugar is essential for the human body. They are ba…

I do HIIT in a fasted state weekly. Am I at my peak performance in said state? Maybe not, but I'm not competing and get through my workout just fine, so...
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