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Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by andremendes » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:25 PM UTC

darpa_escapee wrote: post #129

salawat wrote: post #120

It seems to me to be a continuation of the pattern of labor 'Going Postal' in the labor hostile environment that has emerged since Reagan. This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the country. We can't survive without being able to trust and respect each other as human beings. Part of that is recognizing that even the most humble occupations deserve a fair wage and chance at advancement in life. If we can't respe…

Often these types of suicides aren't given publicity, though this one was too much of a spectacle to ignore. There was a man who shot himself on the steps of a government(?) building, which is a town over from where I'm originally from, because he was laid off. A friend showed me the note he left on Facebook before it got deleted. It was very clear that he had been struggling financially for years and the layoff was…

It may not be him but it's the same tragedy as Douglas Schifter's.

Facebook note: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1888367364...

"A Driver’s Suicide Reveals the Dark Side of the Gig Economy" : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/nyregion/livery-driver-ta...

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by WillPostForFood » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:28 PM UTC

AlimJaffer wrote: post #128

hueving wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointless attempt to tie a political view to a tragedy, please don't do this. There have been massacres, bombings, dramatic suicides, etc long before the Reagan administration and none of them have claimed "If I would have only had 20% more compensation I wouldn't have violently murdered these 20 people." P.S. It's godspeed, not "God speed".

It's less politics, and more to do with empathy for the common man. Mental illness is at an all-time high, wages are low, poverty is incredibly visible, and based off of postings on Reddit, Facebook, etc. there's a general attitude of being despondent due to the current economic and political climate. Something has to change, and it can only really start at the top - with government taking care of its citizens rather…

based off of postings on Reddit, Facebook, etc. there's a general attitude of being despondent due to the current economic and political climate. Something has to change

Maybe spend less time on Reddit, Facebook, etc... Things probably aren't as bad as they look through the lens of social media.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by refurb » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:33 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #120

It seems to me to be a continuation of the pattern of labor 'Going Postal' in the labor hostile environment that has emerged since Reagan. This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the country. We can't survive without being able to trust and respect each other as human beings. Part of that is recognizing that even the most humble occupations deserve a fair wage and chance at advancement in life. If we can't respe…

Guy is depressed and crashes plane and you’re connecting to labor relations?

That’s a stretch!

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by alkonaut » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:34 PM UTC

sehugg wrote: post #152

salawat wrote: post #120

It seems to me to be a continuation of the pattern of labor 'Going Postal' in the labor hostile environment that has emerged since Reagan. This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the country. We can't survive without being able to trust and respect each other as human beings. Part of that is recognizing that even the most humble occupations deserve a fair wage and chance at advancement in life. If we can't respe…

I'm not an MBA, but I think it's way too early to attribute motivation to this incident.

Reading the dialog I think it's fair to say that both a) the man was not quite well, and b) the only motivation he actually DID suggest was the stress of low wage. So there's that.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by closeparen » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:36 PM UTC

claydavisss wrote: post #156

salawat wrote: post #120

It seems to me to be a continuation of the pattern of labor 'Going Postal' in the labor hostile environment that has emerged since Reagan. This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the country. We can't survive without being able to trust and respect each other as human beings. Part of that is recognizing that even the most humble occupations deserve a fair wage and chance at advancement in life. If we can't respe…

Do you own an iPhone? Do you know how much the people who build them make? Do you know that these workers also commit suicide on the job?

Well above the median income in their country.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by mschuster91 » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:40 PM UTC

danielrhodes wrote: post #160

pravda wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Just look at the situation in NYC with ride-sharing and all the taxi driver suicides. To clarify this, it is not 'taxi driver' suicides, it is suicides by medallion investors. Most drivers do not own medallions. http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/06/taxi...

The medallion system reminds me of feudalism. It blows my mind that taxi drivers would defend this system and not flee to Uber/Lyft/etc.

> It blows my mind that taxi drivers would defend this system and not flee to Uber/Lyft/etc.

For those who defend the system, often enough the medallions are their life saving / insurance when they get old, and almost always financed by loans.

The medallions going worthless at the same time invalidates their retirement plans and STILL leaves them on the hook for the loan.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by sandworm101 » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:40 PM UTC

stephengillie wrote: post #145

bobthepanda wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do programmers just ship code to production without a second person to review code?

Are all peer reviews/pull requests equal? A lot depends on the size, maturity, and customers of the group shipping code. One-person side/hobby projects wouldn't have a 2nd person to review the code. A previous employer initially had a "Deploy to Production" script that ran every 60 seconds, copying the Development folder to the Production folder - to make easier their testing in Prod. But large publicly-held companie…

Such lockout systems are a safety risk themselves should they err and limit functionality in the air.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by ransom1538 » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:48 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #120

It seems to me to be a continuation of the pattern of labor 'Going Postal' in the labor hostile environment that has emerged since Reagan. This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the country. We can't survive without being able to trust and respect each other as human beings. Part of that is recognizing that even the most humble occupations deserve a fair wage and chance at advancement in life. If we can't respe…

Sell large screen TVs all day or pack bags on a plane to Hawaii all day — then try to make 13.50$/hr during a bad divorce. Spend 20 hours detailing a bmw m7 and struggle pay for your kids school supplies.

I am more surprised this isn’t a everyday thing. This country has a bad mental health issue. But ok. Make sure the lock is on the plane.

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by paulie_a » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:53 PM UTC

stephengillie wrote: post #145

bobthepanda wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do programmers just ship code to production without a second person to review code?

Are all peer reviews/pull requests equal? A lot depends on the size, maturity, and customers of the group shipping code. One-person side/hobby projects wouldn't have a 2nd person to review the code. A previous employer initially had a "Deploy to Production" script that ran every 60 seconds, copying the Development folder to the Production folder - to make easier their testing in Prod. But large publicly-held companie…

And even at Large publicly held companies the guy trying to implement a fix that matters is going to over ride those controls and get it out, the auditor might complain later but who cares. I know some devs that will do it at midnight while smoking weed at Fortune 50 companies. Sometimes you ignore the normal process and get it done and basically work around any locks/restrictions

Re: Man Who Stole Plane Near Seattle Raises Troubling Security Question

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Post by pseudalopex » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 8:54 PM UTC

unchurch wrote: post #148

> Mr. Russell and his wife were active church members, Mr. Orr said, “so he doesn’t really fit the bill of someone who would steal an airplane.” Can we please stop insinuating that people who attend church are perfect and incapable of doing wrong and, by omission, insinuating that those of us who do not are evil? Edit: If the downvoters would like to explain how I’m wrong, that would be lovely.

"Active church member" tends to imply more than just attending. The statement could reflect religious bias or just mean Russell was seen as a dependable member of his community.