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Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

luckydata wrote: post #38
freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Because their stupidity is going to kill us all. I'm very vitriolic against people that are trying to kill me and my family, I can't help it.

Do you not see how your reply to the OP's sincere question amounts to the same lackluster, overgeneralized, and lazy intellectual stance that the people you're criticizing take on climate science?

You couldn't have more aptly proved the OP's point.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by satellitec4t »

guessthejuice wrote: post #28
oh_sigh wrote: post #6

What part do climate change deniers deny? Is it that the mean global temperature is going up, or the idea that it is going up because of human activities? I thought it was the latter.

> What part do climate change deniers deny? It's two fold issue. People question the level to which human activity contributes to climate and they question the remedy to it. Obviously climate change has always happened. It happened before human existence, climate change occurred throughout human history and climate change will happen after humans aren't around. Nobody is denying climate change. Climate change denier…

> Is the remedy worse than the disease?

Depends on where you live. In some places the entire way of life will be destroyed through drought or rising sea levels. In some places your gas may be a bit more expensive.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by saudioger »

splintercell wrote: post #30
bjourne wrote: post #22

We really need to do something now! The summer has been un-fucking-believably hot. Climate change is not something that will happen in the "future" -- we have to avoid a global ecosystem collapse in the next 10-15 years. :(

I know the Pascal's wager argument for action on Climate change (which is that if there is even 1% chance of climate change being real then why not act on it since the downside of acting is nothing ), but the question is, what if climate change is NOT man-made? If there is even 1% chance that climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon then all our efforts to 'stop' greenhouse gas emissions is not going to giv…

Even IF it were occurring naturally the downside of curbing our contribution is that everything we do is significantly cleaner and we aren't precipitating the problem.

That's one of my biggest annoyance with deniers — worst case scenario is that we're doing something good for no reason.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by cool_look »

I think this is a bit straw-manny.

Tony Heller had been trying to show that by slicing data like climate alarmists do it is even possible to show a decline in temperatures.

Although I don’t know much about the guy my guess is like most people it is clear some warming occurred, but the continuation and causes are in dispute.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by devmunchies »

simplecomplex wrote: post #8

> climate change deniers Otherwise known as Republicans.

People causing climate change, otherwise known as Everybody.

I’m a conservative, and vegan. I relate to most Democrats on issues of conservation, yet most of them won’t go vegan or ride public transit, etc. Democrats don’t have a moral high ground simply because they believe in climate change. I want them to make it the biggest priority of our generation through their actions.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by [deleted] »

luckydata wrote: post #38
freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Because their stupidity is going to kill us all. I'm very vitriolic against people that are trying to kill me and my family, I can't help it.

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Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by saudioger »

freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Same reason for the vitriol against anti-vax. These are people who are claiming to know better than the vast majority of the scientific community (seriously, it's something like 99%+), despite having little to no expertise in the field.

Multiple independent governments, thousands of peer reviewed studies across multiple disciplines, data collected from satellites, billions of dollars across decades of research... but still not enough.

It's stupid and dangerous. To be capable of thinking that it's a hoax requires a severe lack of understanding of the simple scale of humanity.

I find it more believable to think that you've been personally abducted by aliens than any segment of humanity having the ability to pull off a trick of such magnitude.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by Udik »

IlGrigiore wrote: post #37
freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Since you do not like the term "climate deniers", what's your proposal for an appropriate and respectful term or definition to aggregate the people that believe that climate change is not happening?

> to aggregate the people that believe that climate change is not happening?

First of all, you shouldn't "aggregate" them. Very few if those who are usually called "climate deniers" actually believe that climate change is not happening. Did you know that?

In general, apart from total deniers, there's people who think climate change might not be as bad, or extreme, or as manmade, or that catastrophic predictions need some check. Labelling them all as "deniers" is just a very handy (and toxic) way to close the conversation.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by gt_ »

freedomben wrote: post #32

Honest question: Why such vitriol against "climate deniers?" The term "climate denier" is loading with negative connotation just on it's face, and it's rarely used in isolation in an otherwise respectful way. There will always be people that disagree with you about something. Some are honest, some are not. Why be an asshole and treat people poorly and disrespectfully? That makes you as bad or worse than them IMHO. Ev…

Does “* denier” really count as vitriol?

I don’t personally use this language, but for what I think is a different reason: if removing a noun-forming suffix yields a verb which defines the extent of a category, I just think this results in an extraneous lack of specificity (you could instead just describe the subject as performing the action). I also think it’s collectively beneficial to not go out of our way to categorize each other, but I wouldn’t be so quick to apply that to personal situations.

So, I can’t understand taking “climate denier” to be personally offensive or vulgar. If you don’t like your own view, you’re entirely free to just change your mind.

Re: USA Temperature: can I sucker you?

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Post by trynumber9 »

techsupporter wrote: post #18

> We can completely ignore the fact that over the years the average location of all the contributing stations has moved slightly northward to colder territory[.] Woah, that's not something I'd considered. Are weather stations that contribute to NOAA operated by the volunteer public, kind of like Weather Underground? Either way, that's pretty interesting that there's a distinct northward migration in at least one "dem…

The population has been migrating south. Why are the stations migrating north?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_Stat...

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