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The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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I am not gonna post this as anonymous, because I need to put this out of my chest: I am absolutely terrified of blood pressure being high/measuring it. I was giggling (and almost crying) while reading the article, because putting it out into words makes it sounds really ridiculous, stupid, and obvious, but for us while we are following one of our 'mental stories', it feels very real. I have the same stuff OP wrote ab…

There's a large group of people who are similarly obsessed with low blood sugar when their blood sugar is in fact just fine. There is even a term for this: "functional hypoglycemia", as opposed to actual hypoglycemia. Exact same story.

It's basically anxiety, and it can be treated by a psychiatrist. A combination of drugs to calm you down and psychotherapy (cbt or emdr) to address any underlying "stuck" reactions or other causes. And when I'm saying "drugs" I don't mean something heave that turns you into a vegetable, for milder cases like yours there are fairly mild drugs.

Go to a specialist, you don't have to keep playing this role. Many people end up much better in 8 weeks of treatment.

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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I've OCD and i was on a verge of complete failure. Untill a friend recommended me to try Ashwgandha (Withania somnifera) After that my life completely changed positively. I've lost my anxiety since then. I usually take it with a glass of milk. Now, I've very less stress.

My preliminary research shows it's in the realm of homeopathy and folk medicine. But still might be worth a shot if it can reduce anxiety. Can you elaborate a bit on how to find it and how it changed you?

https://examine.com/supplements/ashwagandha/?PageSpeed=noscr...

If you haven't encountered it, examine.com is a good resource; they curate research on supplements.

In the Human Effect Matrix, in the Anxiety entry, you can see a link to 3 double-blind, placebo controlled studies examining the effects of ashwagandha on anxiety: https://examine.com/rubric/effects/view/a42299063269c89b14ce...

As far as sourcing, you could look at consumerlab (paid subscription; they do independent testing of supplements).

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

#113
post #44

I am not gonna post this as anonymous, because I need to put this out of my chest: I am absolutely terrified of blood pressure being high/measuring it. I was giggling (and almost crying) while reading the article, because putting it out into words makes it sounds really ridiculous, stupid, and obvious, but for us while we are following one of our 'mental stories', it feels very real. I have the same stuff OP wrote ab…

Oh, this is so me. Except I'm constantly convinced I'm having a heart attack. For some reason I associate a fast pulse with imminent death. Then I start to panic and the adrenaline floods in and guess what? My pulse gets faster and the cycle continues. It usually comes up out of nowhere when I'm alone, like I'm convinced I'm going to pass out and nobody is going to know and I'll die for lack of treatment. My doctor a…

Reading your answer made me feel a little less crazy (thank you?). It is actually reassuring to know there are people experiencing the same stuff and doubts, and that i'm not alone.

We all should really talk about this with our friends, coworkers, etc. We should let the word out. I don't know about you but I feel embarrassed of this condition, like I'm a lesser person because of this. And not talking about it makes me even more anxious... I don't like admitting it. When I talk about it freely (like I am doing now, in a somewhat leap of confidence (hopelessness? haah)) I feel way more relaxed and the monster becomes a little smaller.

We are probably fine bro! You certainly wouldn't be able to bike 16km with a heart condition. It's all in our heads.

Also, there is a lot of it to being a perfectionist. I somewhere read that having a low pulse is a good sign. When I'm really relaxed my pulse is like, 60-58bpm.... now picture this:

I am at work right now, sitting in my chair, typing this and juggling 10 other tasks, I am definitely not relaxed. Just measured my pulse using a cellphone app, I'm at 70bpm, which is quite good (since the normal range is 60-100). BUT:

- Why did I measure my HR in the first place just because I read about yours, even tho I am not experiencing any kind of symptoms right now?

- Having measured it, and seeing a pretty normal number, why am I not satisfied? why am I apprehensive that it's not the 'best' number that could come out, it's only a 'good' number? I would have had some reason to be worried if i was sitting here feeling absolutely nothing and then I got a reading of idk, 105bpm. So why everything has to be always perfect in my head?

We create these fantasies that things are/should be clear cut in real life, but we know everything is chaotic and imperfect. As we cling more and more into our 'perfect mental models' we suffer because it will always mismatch with reality.

We should take a moment to stop and be grateful for what we have, instead of suffering for not attaining the perfect unattainable pattern we strive for.

Answering your question: I have taken meds before (Xanax), and all symptoms went away, and then my ocd kinda receded too, I had a phase I simply forgot about all this and just lived.

I am off it now because my doctor said I am already experienced enough to power through the panic attacks, and she knew I have a preference for not being on meds if I can (which is where I am now - trying to be sane and exercise and eat well and just power through).

My BP phobia is really hard on me but if I don't relapse to the 'measuring everyday all day long' stage I am not going back to meds, nope. I want the real thing.

Right now I am managing it quite okay, following the shrink's recommendation to just NOT MEASURE IT. not even if i have symptoms, not even if i have palpitations. The thought occurs to me and I try to acknowledge it and talk myself out of it, much like starting to meditate.

Sorry for the huge answer but I felt 'at home' sharing this with you since it looks like we are very similar in this regard. Hope this helps you and everyone that reads this.

If you wanna reach out, I am here.

o/

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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post #8

I seriously wonder if OCD could be is created because of our lifestyle in society. Yesterday I went to a coffeeshop (creamery in SF) and there was this crazy bathroom where I had to scan a QR code to get in. The door automatically opened, I walked in, and it automatically closed behind me. When I washed my hands, the water faucet detects motion and it has a built in air dryer as well. When I'm done, I pushed a button…

> I wonder if someone who practiced true altruism would ever develop OCD. If I'm only focused on helping others without thinking about myself, would it be easier to let things go? Sounds like a recipe for developing scrupulosity, not having/communicating personal boundaries, or both.

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Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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I'm one of the "chronic checker" types. I used to be really bad about checking and rechecking door locks, particularly, but also the fridge and the garage. If I check absentmindedly and without intention, I'll have to do it all over again. What really helped me get out the door in the morning, and still does, is actually to video myself doing it. When I got a Palm Zire 72, for the first time I could actually leave wi…

Same here. I've always had some mild OCD but last year my car got stolen and that's when it really started. Before going to sleep I now have to know where exactly the car keys are, even though I'm both better insured and the lack of keys didn't really stop the thief last time.

What's worse is that while I've also always been a chronic key checker, last month I still managed to lose the keys. On top of that I didn't even lock myself out - either they're somewhere in the apartment(I'm at a loss here because I went as far as going through the trash - to no avail) or the single time my OCD didn't make me check if whether I left them in the lock I did just that and somebody took them.

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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>Most people still think having OCD means you’re a neat freak or like your shoes precisely lined up in the closet. Come to my apartment; I’ll show you that’s not true. OCD is not a personality or preference. It’s a mental illness that can have devastating effects on how you live and interact with the world.

Well, yes, but it can also manifest in being a "neat freak" (and not just of the mild kind).

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

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post #111
post #44

I am not gonna post this as anonymous, because I need to put this out of my chest: I am absolutely terrified of blood pressure being high/measuring it. I was giggling (and almost crying) while reading the article, because putting it out into words makes it sounds really ridiculous, stupid, and obvious, but for us while we are following one of our 'mental stories', it feels very real. I have the same stuff OP wrote ab…

There's a large group of people who are similarly obsessed with low blood sugar when their blood sugar is in fact just fine. There is even a term for this: "functional hypoglycemia", as opposed to actual hypoglycemia. Exact same story. It's basically anxiety, and it can be treated by a psychiatrist. A combination of drugs to calm you down and psychotherapy (cbt or emdr) to address any underlying "stuck" reactions or…

I have been reading more and more about CBT. I will research about it and if things swing the right direction I'm going to try it.

Thanks, man!

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

#118
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, one way out is behavioral therapy. Obsessive compulsive disorder is a form of anxiety disorder. You are afraid of something (sickness, death, loosing control) - then you get obsessive about it and then you do some compulsive action to mentally ease that thought/anxiety. But now you have "learned" to behave in a certain way to feel better. And you are weighting the triggering thought as more important by giving…

Unless you pull a logical trick to reduce every discomfort to fear, I don't agree that everyone that suffers from OCD is afraid of something and anxious about it.

>Unless you pull a logical trick to reduce every discomfort to fear

In OCD there's no external discomfort (like having your hand touch a stove or having a headache).

So it can very well be all about fear and anxiety in general without having to "reduce every discomfort to fear".

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

#119
post #44

I am not gonna post this as anonymous, because I need to put this out of my chest: I am absolutely terrified of blood pressure being high/measuring it. I was giggling (and almost crying) while reading the article, because putting it out into words makes it sounds really ridiculous, stupid, and obvious, but for us while we are following one of our 'mental stories', it feels very real. I have the same stuff OP wrote ab…

Oh, this is so me. Except I'm constantly convinced I'm having a heart attack. For some reason I associate a fast pulse with imminent death. Then I start to panic and the adrenaline floods in and guess what? My pulse gets faster and the cycle continues. It usually comes up out of nowhere when I'm alone, like I'm convinced I'm going to pass out and nobody is going to know and I'll die for lack of treatment. My doctor a…

PS: I am so obsessed with it that i measured it 4 or 5 more times.

Now it's at 65 bpm, and I am now satisfied.

this sucks

Re: The terrible 'what if': how OCD makes every day a matter of life or death

#120
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of those people who uses a paper towel to open public bathroom doors. I get upset when: 1. There's no trash can by the door for my auxiliary paper towel 2. The door isn't push on the inside (can't kick with my foot). For the reason you mention. I'm sure it's mostly just conditioning. It's a harmless preference and it probably saved me a few colds (although, perhaps getting a virus would have helped me in the…

Sometimes there is a trash can by the door but it has a lid (with a handle). Even if the door needs to be pulled from the inside you simply grab the door handle with a piece of paper and open the door, and then throw the paper in the trash can.

Which is why I'm upset when I don't find one by the door. Wouldn't the lid make it even more of a pain? I guess I didn't understand what you said.
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