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A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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ketogenic diet is what is revolutionizing life with diabetes, by, you know, curing it (not type 1 though). automating the process of releasing a chemical that is roughly speaking the cause of the disease is hardly revolutionary.

The article WAS focused on type 1, though, where there is no cure, from diet or otherwise. It's absolutely revolutionary for those of us with type 1.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

#92
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The article, strangely, leaves out the name of the project it's reporting on. It's OpenAPS, http://openaps.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ . I use it and have worked on the code. It's a massive health and quality of life improvement over anything that exists which is FDA approved. The core problem is that the FDA-approved devices are optimized not for getting the best result, but for ensuring the manufacturer can't be blam…

Hi- I used to work in regulated pharma and I want to be clear: " The core problem is that the FDA-approved devices are optimized not for getting the best result, but for ensuring the manufacturer can't be blamed if something goes wrong" is a misleading statement. The reason everything is regulated is that sometimes things do go wrong, and it's necessary to have root cause attribution so the problem can be remedied an…

FWIW, your comment has now made me despise your industry. Just thought you should understand that you aren't convincing. At all. (And to be very clear, before reading your comment I would have just assumed incompetence, but now I am going to go so far as claim active malice.)

Context: I spent five years dating someone who was diabetic and relied on insulin pumps after spending years working closely alongside a good friend who used manual injections. The latter friend is now someone I work with again, and he has since moved through mere pumps to these closed loop systems.

The concept that it is a "conservative" approach to not achieve the "best" result with glucose control is clearly nothing more than an intentional misunderstanding of the long-term side effects of even moderately poor blood glucose control designed to allow you to feel better about the downsides of the specific regulations at play here.

That you also seem to miss that there are serious acute ramifications for lapses of attention is just... it's just evil and calculates is what it is: people with diabetes have a fundamental life-maintenance process on complete manual control, and even minor lapses of attention can have consequences.

Your "conservative" attitude is directly harming people I love, and is only "conservative" from your perspective, not theirs, as it is pushing responsibility that could be taken by a device on to the patient, when even a risky device is almost certainly less risky than their own control.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the docs: "One of the most frequently asked questions is “I have a 723 pump but it has version 2.5B software version. Has anyone figured out a way to make newer model Medronic pumps compatible? Like flash older version of software onto my 723 2.5B pump?” The answer is “No. The ability to downgrade software versions in the pumps does not exist. It has been investigated and nobody has made any successful progress…

Someone should issue a challenge to hotz et al. My guess is that this the intersection between diabetics and reverse engineering hackers is only a very small number of people, so this kind of device or impact it could have on people might not even be generally known in the community

As a "reverse engineering hacker" who is a diabetic with one of these pumps (The 670G to be specific) I have black boxed the shit out of it, but because it is doing a good job of keeping me alive and the cost of a new one is high I have yet to disassemble it and do a thorough RE of it. In ~4 years when the warranty is up an insurance is willing to replace it then I will be disassembling it and hacking the shit out of it.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi- I used to work in regulated pharma and I want to be clear: " The core problem is that the FDA-approved devices are optimized not for getting the best result, but for ensuring the manufacturer can't be blamed if something goes wrong" is a misleading statement. The reason everything is regulated is that sometimes things do go wrong, and it's necessary to have root cause attribution so the problem can be remedied an…

FWIW, your comment has now made me despise your industry. Just thought you should understand that you aren't convincing. At all. (And to be very clear, before reading your comment I would have just assumed incompetence, but now I am going to go so far as claim active malice.) Context: I spent five years dating someone who was diabetic and relied on insulin pumps after spending years working closely alongside a good f…

Wow.

That's pretty amazing. You're accusing me of active malice for explaining the (entirely reasonable) thought process behind the government's legal system for regulation that pharma must comply with to operate.

I think when you move from the realm of anecdote to dealing with statistics, products with 100 million users, and historical cases (Therac-25), you gain a perspective that regulation is probably the simplest and most effective mechanism for keeping deaths at a minimum while allowing new products to reach the market.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

#95
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Can you please stop spamming idiotic comments all over this thread?! And read the article! It’s about diabetes Type I, which cannot be cured by diet, as it’s caused by too little insulin in the body, not too much as with Type II.

There do seem to be a decent number of T1D patients who use keto diets to keep their blood sugar flat and reduce insulin requirements.

Yes, but you still need insulin on keto. In fact, starting keto can be dangerous for a T1D at first until you find out what your new, lower, requirements are. You put yourself at risk of hypoglycemia, so you have to be extra careful with dosing while you're figuring it out. Because of that, a closed loop artificial pancreas could be incredibly helpful for a T1D going on keto as well.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Somehow I can't help but read you've smuggled endorsement for: It's ok if the product is more dangerous when bundled with the benefit that we can blame it on some organization.

The more generous interpretation is: We value life and try to reduce the risk of severe damage when making drugs. And regulatory bodies exist to combat the incentive to just ship whatever works without adequate regard for what could go wrong

Yes, this is what I meant.

Thanks for being generous.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Can you imagine how much money big pharma could make if they pulled their fingers out and actually created and supported a solution? If a bunch of parents on the internet can hack it together, it's hardly impossible (I'm not trying to detract from the awesome work these people have done, but my point is that they have nowhere near the same kind of resources as pharmaceutical companies). As a Type 1 Diabetic it's real…

> If a bunch of parents on the internet can hack it together

I can imagine people will think this after reading this article, but in my opinion this is not how it is in reality - which is why this article is very poorly written/exaggerated. The article presents this comparison as black & white: DIY = simple and cheap, whereas pharmaceutical companies = difficult and expensive. The reality however, is not black and white.

In a nutshell: You and me can drive around in a car without wearing seat belts our entire life and in the end, this article would say "see nothing terrible happened, it's been completely safe to drive around and seat belts are ridiculous".

It all comes down to statistics, and i believe that the people doing this DIY stuff are unaware of the risks they are taking.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

#98
post #27

Does anyone happen to have a Medtronic device on the compatibility list that they are looking to sell?

I am involved in this, what i want to say is that openaps are not the best option anymore, and pumps of metronic are not required anymore, android app & other pumps what we use right now.

With the poor state of Android security at the moment (in a nutshell, Android 9 Pie was just released while the previous Oreo release is installed on only 12% of devices), i cannot imagine anyone would want to connect a device that "can easily kill you" to an Android phone.

Most non-technical people using this DIY solution are probably not even aware of this...

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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FWIW, your comment has now made me despise your industry. Just thought you should understand that you aren't convincing. At all. (And to be very clear, before reading your comment I would have just assumed incompetence, but now I am going to go so far as claim active malice.) Context: I spent five years dating someone who was diabetic and relied on insulin pumps after spending years working closely alongside a good f…

Wow. That's pretty amazing. You're accusing me of active malice for explaining the (entirely reasonable) thought process behind the government's legal system for regulation that pharma must comply with to operate. I think when you move from the realm of anecdote to dealing with statistics, products with 100 million users, and historical cases (Therac-25), you gain a perspective that regulation is probably the simples…

You're actively ignoring the point and just being offended which is natural because it was put extremely bluntly. But you've just restated that the current state of affairs is "entirely reasonable" when the comment you are replying to explains why it's actively harmful. You've provided no argument for why it's reasonable, just taken offense and waved around cases of catastrophic failure.

Re: A $250 Biohack That’s Revolutionizing Life with Diabetes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to add: Thalidomide is still prescribed today as it is a very effective drug. Also, as a response, the US has a much stronger system for evaluating drug safety.

US regulators did not approve thalomide until after the risks were known. Their system for evaluating drug safety is the strongest in the world and that is why there were no thalomide induced birth defects in the US. Those problems, subtleties and failures of regulation were in European markets where thalomide was approved more quickly (and new manufacturing processes were less closely regulated than the drug itself)…

The narrative is more complicated than that, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Oldham_Kelsey and https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2012/02/50-years-af.... In particular: athough Kelsey did correctly identify issues, there wasn't legal support for that kind of regulation until her work led to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefauver_Harris_Amendment which was necessary legal support for the FDA regulation process.
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