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2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by hugh3 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #26
ars wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't the spelling mistake, it was the complete lack of content. I would expect more of a writeup of why they they are giving it to him, etc, etc. The spelling mistake really caught my eye though - it just seemed unprofessional. It's just not what you expect when you hear "Nobel prize".

What do you mean lack of content? Here's the press release: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2010/pres... Here's the video of the announcement: http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1373

That was pretty well hidden. You have to click on the small grey-on-grey text that says "Nobel Peace Prize 2010" then the even tinier grey-on-grey text that says "Press Release" just to see who the hell this guy is.

Go straight to the page and you see his name, his photo, and a bunch of text in Chinese (which I now see are comments).

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by nkassis »

razin wrote: post #6
russellallen wrote: post #3

Congratulations to Mr Liu - his imprisonment remains a sign of how far China has yet to travel.

Apparently, China blacked out both CNN and BBC when the announcement was made ( http://twitter.com/joCNN/status/26731788647 ).

I wonder what a google search would return.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by alexdong »

> Of course, equating the Nobel committee with the Norwegian government is as wrong as equating a newspaper editor printing Islamic cartoons with it, then torching down an embassy.

This is very western way of seeing thing, which I happen to agree. The current Chinese education system has been trying very hard, and quite successfully, to mix these concepts together: country, geographic land, government, ethnic group in order to make the current political system legitimate by "natural".

Now, if you ask me what will happen to liuxiaobo, I'd bet 80%+ on that he will stay in prison. Based on my observation of the a few years after the tian'an'men massacre and the economic position China is having right now, I don't expect Chinese government to back off on this particular issue under external pressures. What'll happen is the news will soon move on to the next interesting topic and what's going on with China will continue on its path.

As a Chinese, I'm quite impressed by the fact that the Nobel committee has the gut to take the risk and stick with their own decision. I'd, humbly, call this the triumph of humanity since it values human rights and the pursue of personal freedom over pure economic considerations.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by mbreese »

Hagelin wrote: post #17
superos wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an award given by the Norwegian government. It is given by the independent Norwegian Nobel Committee. If the means anything for the chinese I don't know, but it is a huge difference with regard to the two countries political relations.

Yes, an independent committee whose "five members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament and roughly represent the political makeup of that body”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Nobel_Committee

That may be true, but they aren't speaking with the authority of the state. There is a difference.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by mbreese »

nkassis wrote: post #32
razin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, China blacked out both CNN and BBC when the announcement was made ( http://twitter.com/joCNN/status/26731788647 ).

I wonder what a google search would return.

google.com.hk has the prize winner listed as the third link with the terms "nobel peace prize 2010".

Google.cn still redirects to google.com.hk for searching.

http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-CN&source=hp&b...

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by RaRic »

sasvari wrote: post #8

It will be interesting to see whether China is going to follow through with their threat to downgrade their political relations with Norway now.

When Dalai Lama received the prize in 1989, the relationship between Norway and China became ice cold for a few years. Then everything went back to normal. Presumably, that will be the turn of events this time as well.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by avar »

alexdong wrote: post #33

> Of course, equating the Nobel committee with the Norwegian government is as wrong as equating a newspaper editor printing Islamic cartoons with it, then torching down an embassy. This is very western way of seeing thing, which I happen to agree. The current Chinese education system has been trying very hard, and quite successfully, to mix these concepts together: country, geographic land, government, ethnic group i…

Even if the news moves on having the first Chinese citizen to win a Nobel Peace prize rotting in prison sends a strong message to the world, and to any Chinese citizens reading about their own country.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by jacoblyles »

arethuza wrote: post #27
geirr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norway started negotiating with China about a new trade policy in 2008. This was going well, and Norway might have been the first European country to get such a deal. According to Norwegian newspapers, it is now a great risk that China cancels the negotiations.

Presumably Norway is one of the few countries that doesn't have to worry too much about upsetting the Chinese - they have huge amounts of money and oil and Russia in between them and the Chinese.

Having money doesn't mean that trade embargoes or tariffs won't hurt a country at the margin. The goods that are available to them to buy with that money through international trade will decline in number, which is a clear loss. You can't live on oil alone.

Re: 2010 Nobel Prize for Peace Awarded to Liu Xiaobo

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Post by _delirium »

alexdong wrote: post #33

> Of course, equating the Nobel committee with the Norwegian government is as wrong as equating a newspaper editor printing Islamic cartoons with it, then torching down an embassy. This is very western way of seeing thing, which I happen to agree. The current Chinese education system has been trying very hard, and quite successfully, to mix these concepts together: country, geographic land, government, ethnic group i…

This is very western way of seeing thing, which I happen to agree. The current Chinese education system has been trying very hard, and quite successfully, to mix these concepts together: country, geographic land, government, ethnic group in order to make the current political system legitimate by "natural".

I agree as far as the current situation, but I don't think it's anything inherent about western or non-western ways of thinking, just a result of where Europe and China happen to be currently in their politics. Mixing country/land/government/ethnic-group into a "natural" whole used to be a very European idea as well, and was probably the dominant view of nation-states throughout the period of European ethnic nationalism in the 18th and 19th centuries.

I think that today it's unpopular in Europe partly because it's so associated with 20th-century fascism: no mainstream German today would want to promote the idea that the German people, the German land, the German state, and German culture are some sort of natural, unified whole, because that sort of rhetoric marks you out as a member of the far-right.

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