Announcing Dart 2 Stable and the Dart Web Platform

Post by devxpy » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:05 AM UTC

wnsire wrote: post #36

Reading the few comments here is really interesting. Every-time there is a discussion about Dart , people talk about Flutter... they very rarely talk about Dart on the Server or on the Web... A while ago I considered using Dart to build a Web API. I was shocked by the non-existent ecosystem around this language. The Redis package has been un-maintained for almost three years now, and Angular Dart is always a few vers…

Post by flukus » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:13 AM UTC

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I think you need at least one of three things to get a new language off the ground: 1. Extreme compatibility with the current entrenched language so you can incrementally migrate. C++ from C. CoffeeScript and TypeScript from JavaScript. Kotlin from Java. 2. A killer app (well, framework). Rails for Ruby. WinForms for C#. Applets and J2EE for Java (later Android). 3. A new platform where you must use the language to t…

I listed two clear counter examples to claim #2, C++ and Javascript. I'm even tempted to put C in that list, because C was already popular before Linux. What was Python's killer app? What is Rust's killer app? Go's? Kotlin's? Java is a counter example to your claim #3 since it not only does it run on all OS'es but you can also develop it on all OS'es.

Post by jay_kyburz » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 3:33 AM UTC

realusername wrote: post #209

hota_mazi wrote: post #185

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I listed two clear counter examples to claim #2, C++ and Javascript. I'm even tempted to put C in that list, because C was already popular before Linux. What was Python's killer app? What is Rust's killer app? Go's? Kotlin's? Java is a counter example to your claim #3 since it not only does it run on all OS'es but you can also develop it on all OS'es.

> What was Python's killer app? Not a killer app, but the fact you have so many ML frameworks > What is Rust's killer app? That's clearly Servo. > Go? It was docker which really made Go take off, it was their first big platform. > Kotlin's? Android compatibility, before that it was a niche language not being picked up much.

Post by scarface74 » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 4:14 AM UTC

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Market wise, Java is still popular in the Enterprise and of course if you are developing for Android, you’re going to probably use Java (I’d rather use Kotlin), but for backend work the three most marketable languages seem to be JavaScript (Node), .Net, and Java. Yeah PHP jobs are a dime a dozen but they don’t pay well. Python is a little better but it’s not “Enterprisey” enough for major corporations and the cool hi…

I don't know where you're getting your information about Python from. It's popularity has skyrocketed in recent years. Search Indeed's API for title:python and location:London. 412 Python jobs compared with 278 for Node.js. What's also interesting is that there are currently 35% more Django jobs than Rails in London whilst at Angel.co they're about even.

Post by wild_preference » Wed, Aug 08, 2018, 4:35 AM UTC

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> I think mostly because they were bit too hard by IE doing the exact same thing just a few years before. It's pretty simple, in my view: JS developers were happy with the language and didn't want a browser vendor trying to replace it. Remember that it was announced around the time that the new ES6 ("Harmony") features were generating a lot of excitement about the future of JS.

What I don’t understand is why people are excited about the new features of JavaScript. The problem with JavaScript has never been that it doesn’t have enough features or syntactic sugar. The problem with JavaScript is that it has a rotten, unsafe core. Its very nature is antithetical to writing robust software, yet we need it to create dynamic UI applications.