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> user: mobmobmob > created: 17 minutes ago
Is that why the user is green? I've always wondered?
Yes it is, but what does that have to do with the nature of the comment?
US companies giving in to pressure from China
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#23An excerpt, which sounds shockingly similar to GDPR compliance, listed as an example:
"APPLE, AGAIN
That wasn’t the only issue Apple faced in the country. Earlier this year, Apple moved Chinese iCloud data to a state-run company after new laws were enacted requiring foreign companies to store data locally."
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#25I look at it this way: change is not going to be forced on the Chinese government by US corporations. That can only come from the Chinese population (with possibly a small assist from foreign governments). So what's the best way to help their citizens with changing the government?
I believe the best way is to make them prosperous and informed; people who are hungry or worried about their job are less likely to question the political status quo. Are US corporations helping with either of those? Not much with the latter but I believe more trade helps the former, as long as it also doesn't make it easier for the government to oppress the Chinese population.
Is there much of a difference between US corporations doing business in China and the rest of us buying inexpensive goods from Chinese companies?
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#26It's not just companies, it's US people too. The original HN thread on this subject ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17660872 ) had a truly depressing percentage of comments saying "No big deal" using some combination of whataboutism, false equivalence and simple fatalism. I seem to remember that when Google first pulled out of China the reaction among HN types was much more positive; what has happened to our m…
Uh, morals? What does ethics have to do with Google operating their search business in China? I'm confused why I am supposed to be outraged. I don't have any particularly strong feelings about censorship in foreign countries - how does what the Chinese government do affect American speech? I guess censorship in general is _bad_, but it's purely an internal, domestic matter. The Chinese aren't scrubbing American textb…
At what point does it become a moral imperative to stop doing business with a government? I assume we can all agree that US businesses should not sell more efficient gas chambers to Nazi Germany. So where does the line get drawn?
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Is that why the user is green? I've always wondered?
Yes it is, but what does that have to do with the nature of the comment?
Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect.
Couple the two together makes it for a comment that doesn't honestly want to drive good conversation.
Re: US companies giving in to pressure from China
#28An excerpt, which sounds shockingly similar to GDPR compliance, listed as an example: "APPLE, AGAIN That wasn’t the only issue Apple faced in the country. Earlier this year, Apple moved Chinese iCloud data to a state-run company after new laws were enacted requiring foreign companies to store data locally."
The difference is that in the case of China (and Russia), requiring local data storage is intended to enable government oppression. EU countries have much better human rights records than China and Russia do.
Re: US companies giving in to pressure from China
#29It's not just companies, it's US people too. The original HN thread on this subject ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17660872 ) had a truly depressing percentage of comments saying "No big deal" using some combination of whataboutism, false equivalence and simple fatalism. I seem to remember that when Google first pulled out of China the reaction among HN types was much more positive; what has happened to our m…
It's increasingly hard to justify not doing business in China for moral reasons whilst doing business in the U.S. If the moral high ground could indisputably be claimed by the U.S. then peoples' views would be different. Now it's not a big deal that Google wants to do business in China since it's doing business in the U.S. It's not necessarily that morality has gone down in the U.S; it's that trust in the morality of…
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes it is, but what does that have to do with the nature of the comment?
Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect. Couple the two together makes it for a comment that doesn't honestly want to drive good conversation.
> Considering the blatant lies and misinformation being spread in the comment, the fact that it's a fresh, new account makes it suspect.
What blatant lies? Everything there looks true, except maybe the employment figures (the US figure apparently includes all people working in the "the iOS ecosystem", which seems totally bogus to me), but that's actually being generous to Apple.
Edit: Just to quickly fact check the other stuff:
> That dictatorship now has imprisoned close to 1 million people in Xinjiang.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm...
> Shame on you, Sundar Pichai. At least when Google was lead by Erich Schmidt, Google pulled out of China, and didn't bend to the whims of Chinese government.
Google stops cooperating with Chinese censorship in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch...
Censored Google being developed in 2018: https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engi...
> Shame on you, Mark Zuckerberg, for continuing to appease the dictator in China, so that Facebook may gain a foothold there.
Zuckerberg shamelessly sucking up to Xi/CCP: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1658272/zuckerberg-h...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...
> Shame on you, Satya Nadella, for continuing to supply censored search results in Bing. and for not taking a stand against censorship.
Bing censoring Chinese search results: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/11/bing-cens...
> Shame on you, Jeff Bezos. You become the richest man on earth, by allowing pirated, stolen, IP infriged goods from China to be sold on your platform without care
Amazon's counterfeit problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/amazo...